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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Topic: To include ELO in Progarchives Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:33 |
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No, they're not prog. They're a pop band
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Jared
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19513 |
Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:35 | |
I've gone for 'no' I'm afraid; I agree that the first two albums are def worthy of inclusion, but Third Day and Eldorado less so (I owned all 4 of them once..), and the rest is borderline Art Rock/ Pop, which is of little interest here...
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Frasse
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 758 |
Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:32 | |
I voted Yes since there now is a prog-related "genre" in the archives.
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memowakeman
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 01:11 | |
MAYBE PROG RELATED OR ART ROCK...BUT MAYBE.... IN FACT I DONT CONSIDERE THEM AS PROG |
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Olympus
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Posted: September 30 2005 at 18:57 | |
They should be put a new catogary called semi-progressive.
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Lunarscape
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Posted: January 21 2005 at 16:54 | |
Sure enough ELO is progressive enough to be listed here. ________ Lunar |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: January 21 2005 at 15:03 | |
Guillermo, You're making a good case, I'm starting to believe! I'd certainly agree about "Eldorado", a fine prog album. |
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Squirrel_monkey
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Posted: January 21 2005 at 12:36 | |
Apparently the best ever prog album... Disc: 2 |
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 14:49 | |
In the "All Music Guide" there are some good writers about music. One is William Ruhlmann. I have a good book about Pink Floyd written by him. Yes, they changed the format, but they have corrected some mistakes, and they also added biographies about bands which didn`t have Biographies in that website. Yes, maybe their main interest is commercial, but a lot of websites survive due to their commercial activities. Anyway, I consider the AMG a good website. I have visited this website since 1999. |
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Guillermo
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Posted: January 17 2005 at 13:22 | |
More definitions in Progarchives: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp " Art Rock (Symphonic Prog is often refereed to as Art Rock) — A name that is used to refer to early explorative work that had roots in popular music.Very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Bands in this category can and have produced material falling into other categories as well. There may be moments of outright progressive rock but with more of a pop influence and certainly a tendency towards shorter songs. Examples: BE BOP DELUXE, early ENO, ROXY MUSIC. " In my opinion, ELO is still Progressive, if you read these definitions. Why Roxy Music wasn`t included before in the discography?
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 13:07 | |
Definitions in Progarchives: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp "PROGRESSIVE ROCK — a style that combines rock, classical, psychedelic and literary elements — was born in the late '60s with art-rock bands like Pink Floyd and King Crimson, whose albums typically featured 7 to 10 minutes songs with shifting time signatures and evolving musical themes. " ____________________ Edited by Guillermo |
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DallasBryan
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: January 16 2005 at 20:27 | |
Guillermo, you are right ELO is progressive rock in
the early years. No Answer is definitlely and Eldorado was one of the first true(only one or two really worked) concept albums in rock n roll in the mid 70's. There seems to be this either younger generation that has been exposed to so many different kinds of crap and grew up hearing them on the radio or a british society mainstream idea that they are British AOR because they were frequently played on british radio or northeastern USA stations, where they decide in institutes(stuck inside because its to damn cold), what is or aint this and that! Their brains are frozen. So dont feel bad your right! Edited by DallasBryan |
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aqualung28
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 18:23 | |
Ummmmmmmmm. NO!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 17:41 | |
You said it Guillermo Allmusic makes a lot of mistakes, this page is not reliable at all, just to start is managed by musical and movie industry not by people who remotely cares for progressive rock. I had tosend them a post informing the management that Triumvirat is not a band from Finland and that neither Toto or Boston are progressive bands, when they changed the format they corrected all those mistakes, but there are still a lot. Iván |
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Custodian
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 16:18 | |
Although I'm in the minority, I just voted YES. I think even their later albums had prog elements, as did the Move's albums and Roy Wood's solo albums. Wizzard's Brew is very experimental. I just happened to get an obscure live ELO record in the mail from eBay yesterday. The Night The Light Went On In Long Beach has some very proggy synth work from Richard Tandy. ELO used to be a slightly guilty pleasure of mine but lately I'm enjoying their old stuff (up until Discovery) more and more.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 12:12 | |
Why not? Radiohead is here. After that , we can include Abba.
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Guillermo
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 12:09 | |
ELO`s keyboardist, Richard Tandy, is a very good musician. Even in the song "Last Train to London", which is almost a Disco Pop song, he played some classical music arrangements in his keyboards. For me, ELO is Progressive, anyway. The "All Music Guide" considers ELO as, among other styles, a Prog Rock/Art Rock band. You can search for many bands there. That website has some mistakes, but I agree with them in many things. Supertramp had also many Pop Hits. It is also considered as a Prog band/Art Rock band. I can`t believe that Radiohead is considered by Progarchives as a Prog band! For me, it is more an "Alternative Rock band", as many people calls this style. I could also consider Coldplay and The Verve as a Prog bands. Radiohead=Progressive E.L.O.=Not Progressive
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Fitzcarraldo
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 14:10 | |
My thoughts (on both bands) exactly.
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Squirrel_monkey
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 13:24 | |
Not instruments! Tracks! The instruments are certainly prog, but so too are the tracks. Those two tracks, Kuiama and From the Sun to the world, are from an album of like-styled tracks. Of which there are five. The comparison would hold water if Britney's first 6 years were metal. Whether or not they are prog, you cannot call them untalented. I suppose you've heard two of their songs, and those were probably both from Discovery. The song writing is fantastic and they are all very talented multi-instrumentalists. I think 20% of the vote is a lot more than you'd probably get for Nightwish or many of the other bands on the site. Which is a good thing - it shows all aspects of the genre! |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 08:28 | |
Surely we've had this discussion a thousand times? The instruments doth not maketh the prog band.
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