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oliverstoned
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Topic: Insights on vinyl Posted: October 30 2006 at 14:39 |
That should be better for your budget:
Rega planar 3
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 12:39 |
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Top level turntable brand: VPI
VPI HRX
To reviewers and manufacturers around the world the HR-X is known for it's natural reproduction of scale and sweep. two of the things that make us feel like we are listening to live music. With world class detail, low noise, pace, and timing, the HR-X will bring the concert hall into your home. Best of all it does this with no fiddling, tweaking, or constant resetting.
The HR-X features a triple laminated chassis (Acrylic-Aluminum-Acrylic), integral air suspension (which rejects up to 98% of acoustic feedback) and an inverted main bearing incorporating a hardened steel ball running on a Teflon/Delrin composite.
HRX Turntable
Shown with optional 30 pound super platter
An outer periphery record clamp centers on the platter, not the record, to provide vacuum-like hold down without the problems inherent in a vacuum system. The drive system uses two low-powered 24-pole motors driving a 12-pound flywheel, the flywheel spins at 300 RPM and has 62 times the inertia of a 25 pound platter. The drive system and the periphery clamp result in wow, flutter, and rumble that are all below measurability providing the most stable sound ever heard from a turntable.
The included JMW 12.6 is bolted to the aluminum portion of the chassis with a double base mounting, providing the ultimate in rigidity and adjustability. The SDS power supply (included) rounds out the package and provides a pure AC signal to the drive system.
The HR-X, including the JMW 12.6 tonearm and SDS power supply, has an MSRP of US$10,000.
NEW ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR HR-X:
30 pound super platter (+$2000.00)
Nordost Valhalla wiring for the arm and junction box (+$300.00)
Balanced output junction box (+$150.00)
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Looks nice but way out of my Budget..
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 08:22 |
The problem with non-distilled water is that it may let some chalky depositing and cloth may let some hairs.
So, better use distilled water and a powerful fan to dry.
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 07:56 |
progismylife wrote:
So is there any way to clean up old vinyls? |
I just wash them carefully with warm water (not hot!), and dry them with a cloth.
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 07:50 |
Top level turntable brand: VPI
VPI HRX
To reviewers and manufacturers around the world the HR-X is known for it's natural reproduction of scale and sweep. two of the things that make us feel like we are listening to live music. With world class detail, low noise, pace, and timing, the HR-X will bring the concert hall into your home. Best of all it does this with no fiddling, tweaking, or constant resetting.
The HR-X features a triple laminated chassis (Acrylic-Aluminum-Acrylic), integral air suspension (which rejects up to 98% of acoustic feedback) and an inverted main bearing incorporating a hardened steel ball running on a Teflon/Delrin composite.
HRX Turntable
Shown with optional 30 pound super platter
An outer periphery record clamp centers on the platter, not the record, to provide vacuum-like hold down without the problems inherent in a vacuum system. The drive system uses two low-powered 24-pole motors driving a 12-pound flywheel, the flywheel spins at 300 RPM and has 62 times the inertia of a 25 pound platter. The drive system and the periphery clamp result in wow, flutter, and rumble that are all below measurability providing the most stable sound ever heard from a turntable.
The included JMW 12.6 is bolted to the aluminum portion of the chassis with a double base mounting, providing the ultimate in rigidity and adjustability. The SDS power supply (included) rounds out the package and provides a pure AC signal to the drive system.
The HR-X, including the JMW 12.6 tonearm and SDS power supply, has an MSRP of US$10,000.
NEW ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR HR-X:
30 pound super platter (+$2000.00)
Nordost Valhalla wiring for the arm and junction box (+$300.00)
Balanced output junction box (+$150.00)
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:38 |
A lot of collector friends of mine recommend the Moth.
Obviously only worth it if you're the sort of collector who goes for audiophile and first pressings.
http://www.britishaudio.co.uk/rcm.htm
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 10:06 |
Indeed,there's no way to repair a damaged groove.
There are a LOT of products, solutions, machines on the market to clean. Here are some advices:
MAIN TIPS FOR KEEPING AND CLEANING VYNILS
First, a tool to use each time you play your record, is the felt brush, like the one pictured below. It's much better than the cloth cause it doesn't loose it hairs. This kind of brush removes both dust and static electricity.
There's no specific brand, but the one provided with the "Metanac" (see further, and picture below) is good.
TO CLEAN THE VYNILS:
There are many products. The "Metanac" is a good and efficient product that you simply apply directly on the record with the felt brush.
Another way is to do his own cleaning liquid, proceeding as follow:
-1/3 90°c alcohol
-2/3 distilled water
-A few drops of neutral soap (without detergent, very important).
You have to wash your records with that liquid, using a soft matter to softly rub, or throwing the liquid on the vynil using a kind of water gun. Then there's the drying issue, which is to find a way to remove water without adding hairs by rubbing with a cloth.
Then, for the cartridge keeping, there are two things:
-Cartridge demagnetizer (any brand, make a search on the net). You have to do it from times to times.
-Cartidge stylus cleaner liquid (any brand, make a search on the net). You have to do it from times to times.
Here are the main products to start, considering that there are many products, solutions for it.
There are even sophisticated and expensive record cleaner machines.
Metanac record cleaning product with its felt brush:
Edited by oliverstoned - October 27 2006 at 10:06
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 09:13 |
progismylife wrote:
So is there any way to clean up old vinyls? |
Depends what you mean. You can get cleaning fluid and soft brushes to get the dust or other muck out of the grooves and ensure that the stylus can track better. If you mean repair bad scratches or damage then I would say not. Once the grooves are damaged then information has ben lost (and added) and you cannot recover it.
You can de-click recordings of vinyl by using a digital editing package but even the best versions of these remove other sounds from the recording and alter it for the worse.
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 09:08 |
So is there any way to clean up old vinyls?
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 07:52 |
Thanks for the precision.
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 07:24 |
From the website its under 500 pounds, but i don't know how much that is in Euros or the exact price. But that's new apparently.
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 03:15 |
Thanks to correct me Mike, i read too fast.
-->Progismylife I would be interested to know the exact price in England for the Rega 3 New. Indeed it must be around 500€, which is very cheap. England is the land of Grey and Pink affordable Hifi.
Edited by oliverstoned - October 27 2006 at 03:15
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 02:41 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Thursday, October 26, 2006
1 British Pound = 1.49171 Euro
1 Euro (EUR) = 0.67037 British Pound (GBP)
Actually, vynil price is extremely fluctuating from almost nothing to highly expensive, depends to where/ whom you buy it. No rule really. |
You might have misunderstood him though ... he did not ask for records, but for a record player. I think that a new good one averages at €500 ... although I must say that I'm quite happy with my lo-fi player (Dual, €100).
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:31 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Talking about mastertape, the Studer A80 stays a reference. |
Hey, I used to repair and line up those on a regular basis. Excellent transport, let down slightly by the amplifiers. The Telefunken M15 had better audio electronics but slightly worse tape handling. I wouldn't call the A80 a reference as such; it was a very common good quality studio machine for broadcast studios back in the day before digital editing and playout.
Now the A800 24 track version running at 30 ips was a recording studio standard.
I have lined a pair of those up before (gives 46 tracks because you use one off each machine to time sync) with 46 tracks of Dolby A noise reduction. Takes ages to adjust as there are about 15 audio adjustments for each track. It requires 2 reels of 2" tape to record 46 tracks, and a synchroniser to lock the transports together (electronically). Then we got a Sony 3348 24 bit 48 track digital recorder.
Used 1/2" tape to give 48 tracks and didn't need two whole racks of Dolby cards, or a synchroniser or hours of audio line up. The harmonic distortion was miniscule compared to the old analogue tape and the noise level was as low as the measuring kit could measure. Funnily enough the A800s didn't last very long after that.
Edited by Heavyfreight - October 26 2006 at 16:37
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progismylife
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 14:56 |
I will soon (like as soon as I get money) buy a record player.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 13:30 |
Thursday, October 26, 2006
1 British Pound = 1.49171 Euro
1 Euro (EUR) = 0.67037 British Pound (GBP)
Actually, vynil price is extremely fluctuating from almost nothing to highly expensive, depends to where/ whom you buy it. No rule really.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 13:24 |
Do you know how much that is in pounds? I am still not used to the Pound to Euro conversion, heck I am still not used to the dollar to pound conversion.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 09:43 |
progismylife wrote:
One more question, how much do good (doesn't matter if it is used) record players cost? |
There's no rule. It goes from 1€ to 100€, depending on many factors, including rarity.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 09:41 |
The "Rockport technology sirius III" turntable compete with the master sources in term of performance without talking of musicality.
A direct concert through a Marantz 10B tube tuner (1968) is probably the most emotional and lively sonic experience you can have.
Talking about mastertape, the Studer A80 stays a reference.
Edited by oliverstoned - October 26 2006 at 09:42
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 09:32 |
It may be true about the master tape source, but talking about all the rest of the system, it's not! You will never find such a level of optimization in studio, BI AMP with tube amps in the highs (which are more ACCURATE in the highs with more informations than any solid state -and they don't use the best solidstate in studio-), you will never find Genesis speakers in studio, you will not find a complete "Transparent cables" top level line, etc...
Genesis Speakers 1.1 ( $165,000 per speaker)
Edited by oliverstoned - October 26 2006 at 09:34
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