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darkshade 
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Posted: May 27 2008 at 16:58 |
 boo boo wrote:
They're certainly prog related at least.
I know that Trey Anastasio is a big King Crimson fan and lists Fripp as one of his influences. |
Also Zappa, as evidenced by a lot of the songwriting in Phish's music, even in Trey's guitar playing. Phish is, with no doubt in my mind, a full-out prog band. When you've heard all their studio albums, own over 35 shows, and heard dozens more, you realize how much of a prog band they are. They have more prog songs that most prog bands discography. They should be in Eclectic prog, maybe jazz-fusion, but jazz-fusion doesnt do them justice, since they go everywhere musically. But again, they're a prog band.
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 17:37 |
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what's up Boo Boo... long time no see...
Phish had been kicked around for eclectic.. before I got drafted to fill in for Rico.... and believe there would be interest. Will bring that back up.. see where opinions stand.
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 17:05 |
They're certainly prog related at least.
I know that Trey Anastasio is a big King Crimson fan and lists Fripp as one of his influences.
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 22:52 |
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Posted: April 17 2008 at 22:43 |
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I completely agree. Phish is a full blown prog band. Not just a prog related band.
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:29 |
Interesting that this topic came up. I decided to spin "Junta" the other day after not listening to it for many, many years (maybe even close to a decade!). It was actually even proggier than I had remembered. That said, I'm not sure I own enough of their output to form a decent opinion - but I'm glad they're represented here at least under PR....ironic, since I don't agree with the existence of that sub in the first place. 
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:08 |
 Phish most certainly is what one could consider "progressive". They can also go along with Art-Rock or Jazz-Rock but you're better off not labeling Phish under labels because their music was all over the place but it was always good, fresh & creative music unlike the many cheesy prog outings and the many progressive bands that later on turned pop. I really do not like the labels anyway. One can not deny the lighthearted complexity of Phish's music as a whole (Their spirit reminds me of the bands like Gong,Caravan or 10cc). For those who say Phish isn't complex or prog, you actually have to listen to all of it to get the whole picture. One can't deny the mindmelting epics like "Fluff's Travels", "It's Ice", "Esther", "Guyute", "Taste","All Things Reconsidered" & the grand "Limb By Limb". Their 3 most progressive records were 88's Junta, 93's Rift & 98's The Story Of The Ghost
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Posted: December 08 2006 at 12:45 |
Phish should be art rock.
Slip, stitch and pass album cover was done by Storm Thorgerson, that should be enough. ;)
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Posted: December 08 2006 at 11:55 |
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Phish is more Art Rock to me
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Posted: December 05 2006 at 18:07 |
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Why is Phish here at all? I've seen them on Auston City Limits a couple of times and there's nothing remotely proggy about them. Well, they do have a keyboard player but so doews REO Speedwagon so they should probably be here too.
If Phish is here why not the Grateful Dead and Dave Matthews Band? Hell, why not every band there is. This is a progressive rock site, and that seems to be something we're forgetting lately. The additions are getting out of control.
Edited by Trademark - December 05 2006 at 18:09
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:08 |
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Rift is one of the best Art Rock albums in the history of rock n roll!
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 00:10 |
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First of all, I'm a big Phish fan. Easily one of my favorite bands. I think that they are absolutely 100% prog (especially in their first 4 albums and story of a ghost) not to mention that every live show is very progressive in its delivery. The only problem is the genre. They combine so many styles so well, but sometimes have standard country songs, or standard funk songs on their prog albums so it's hard to categorize. One thing is for sure, there is no band that sounds like Phish (or at least none I've heard yet.) They are 100% original.
I would probably put them in Art Rock as much as I feel a less defined Jazz Rock/Fusion is more tempting for them. But than again, they incorporated much more than your average jazz fusion band.
Oh and P.S. Phish used to be in Art Rock but were moved to Prog Related some time after. Sorry for bringing this post up I just felt the need to comment.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 06:12 |
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Hi,
I'm a big fan of Phish and I think their music is PROGRESSIVE, though it might not be PROG-ROCK as some people understand it (that is not always PROGRESSIVE, like ie. The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard etc. which sound as RETRO to me with no new elements brought into rock music). Some people think they're just another jam-band (in vein of Grateful Dead) but do they know their studio albums? They seem pretty structured to me, for example Junta (my favorite) or A Picture Of Nectar - for me clear progressive rock albums. Their successors Umphrey's McGee (a great band BTW.) are on PA as Jazz Rock/Fusion band and that's a section where I would see Phish as well.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:41 |
Harry Hood wrote:
Phish was probably put under prog related because most prog bands are judged by their studio work. Overall, Phish's studio work has been significantly weaker than their live performances, and their strongest studio albums are also their least prog albums. (In my opinion anyway. I think Billy Breathes was their strongest studio effort)
However, listen to any of their live albums, and their proginess can't be denied. |
i think their first 4 albums had great, progressive compositions, and they improvised on studio albums too. i enjoy all Phish albums. though yes, their live output REALLY shows their progressive side more, their jams go places.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:37 |
Phish was probably put under prog related because most prog bands are judged by their studio work. Overall, Phish's studio work has been significantly weaker than their live performances, and their strongest studio albums are also their least prog albums. (In my opinion anyway. I think Billy Breathes was their strongest studio effort)
However, listen to any of their live albums, and their proginess can't be denied.
Edited by Harry Hood - October 03 2006 at 00:38
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:23 |
all the way, is there a way to suggest this to admins?
though i fear there arent enough phans to make anything happen. if theyd only put better songs to stream on the bands page. Wading in the Velvet Sea, while a good song, does not show, at all, what Phish's music is like
Edited by darkshade - October 03 2006 at 00:24
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:18 |
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:11 |
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines.  |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock. |
same here. im not sure theyd fit anywhere else on the site other than art rock. |
A few of their songs are a bit Psychedelic/Space Rock-ish, but not enough to permanently put them under that category. |
no matter what the songs seem like (space rock, psychedelic, jazz, funk, fusion, etc) they're progressive. look at David Bowie, Divided Sky, Rift, Maze, Stash, Tweezer, Guyute, You Enjoy Myself, Reba, Fluffhead/Fluff's Travels, Punch You in the Eye, Bouncing Around the Room, My Friend My Friend, The Lizards, Dinner and a Movie, It's Ice, Weigh, Pebbles and Marbles, What's the Use, Weekapaug Groove, Squirming Coil, Slave to the Traffic Light, Run Like and Antelope, Demand, Sand/First Tube, Glide, Drowned, etc... those are all excellent progressive rock songs
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:03 |
darkshade wrote:
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock. |
same here. im not sure theyd fit anywhere else on the site other than art rock. |
A few of their songs are a bit Psychedelic/Space Rock-ish, but not enough to permanently put them under that category.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:01 |
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock. |
same here. im not sure theyd fit anywhere else on the site other than art rock.
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