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    Posted: September 25 2006 at 09:38
Maybe try to show clips from different sections of the songs, to show the better parts.
 
Ex. Experience by Gentle Giant. It turns into a rocking song later on, but the beginning is no indication.
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2006 at 09:23
Oh, and I have totally forgotten Pink Floyd -- their samples are quite representative, though there might be more (if possible, of course), according to their periods.
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2006 at 03:09

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

You must be blind

I'm not blind, but my company network filters out all streams and such, so there's a blank empty space upon the stream player.
 
Please somebody, tell me whats there with DP and TD?
 
 
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 21:43
OK, well, so far I asked questions. But it's time now to contribute something. I can say only my opinion about the samples from the groups I'm acquainted with (almost all albums. Of course, there is no much sense to speak about the groups who released few albums, so I shall refer to the big names. Any other group with a big name I'm not referring to isn't considered irrelevant by me -- the things are simpler -- I just don't have enough information about them.
 
Van der Graaf Generator -- representative, except for the debut album, without the sample from which one can live easily. So, I may say, even very representative. As I see the group's works, it is very steady, and one track from each album (bar the aforementioned debut and the recent Present) gives quite a full coverage.
 
Gentle Giant -- the same as with VdGG. The three last albums are considered as weak ones, so, it is, probably, not a big loss not to have any contribution from them. Each other album but Interview contributes a track, which gives, once again, quite a full coverage.
 
Jethro Tull -- rather representative, according to eras of the group. However, it is very difficult to make a really representative list for such a group, who created large amount of highly divertive songs, often even within a single album.
 
King Crimson -- the same as with Jethro Tull.
 
Peter Hammill -- not too representative, at least in post-70's period. The 80's aren't represented at all (I'm not referring here simply to the decade but rather to the musical sound which is not covered). 90's -- I would take something from X my Heart, but this is a matter of taste.
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 17:34
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Sorry,Fassbinder,but I interpreted your words as a round about way of saying "if that is what Rush is like,then I dont like them.."

I've changed all the selections for Rush (except one),so now you can make your final analysis...
 
I certainly shall listen to them.
 
And I never say "I like..." or "I don't like" being based only on some samples. In order to say that, I have (at least) to listen to some albums from the group (especially as prolific as Rush is (was?).
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 17:29
Sorry,Fassbinder,but I interpreted your words as a round about way of saying "if that is what Rush is like,then I dont like them.."

I've changed all the selections for Rush (except one),so now you can make your final analysis...
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 17:25
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

The samples of Rush are fairly representative but we cant just go putting a "Best Of" up or that would really be pushing our luck.  -- That's what I wanted to know, among other things. "Representative" means "representative" and not "best of", I'm aware of that, and I don't expect this in PA.

Next time try this:

"I have been listening to the tracks on the Rush page and was fairly unimpressed.Are these tracks representative of Rush's output,if so I can give them a miss."  -- There are bands other than Rush about whom I (or anyone else) may want to know the same thing.

I find it is easier to be understood if you just say what you are thinking instead of beating about the bush...  -- Thank you, I've learned a new expression (hopefully, I shan't fotget it)... But I try to express myself by my miserable English and just can't do more than I can. Sorry.
 
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 17:22
Ok,I've freshened the Rush selection up,including an homage to our newest Admin....

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=609
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:47
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark.
There are three.And there are all quite fine "indications".

     


oh,let me guess...Wink

(thanks, if so) Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark.
There are three.And there are all quite fine "indications".

     
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark. Confused


There are three.
And there are all quite fine "indications". Wink
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The samples of Rush are fairly representative but we cant just go putting a "Best Of" up or that would really be pushing our luck.

Next time try this:

"I have been listening to the tracks on the Rush page and was fairly unimpressed.Are these tracks representative of Rush's output,if so I can give them a miss."

I find it is easier to be understood if you just say what you are thinking instead of beating about the bush...
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:26
I just wanted to know, for example, whether (in general) Rush sound like their samples. If "yes", then I can continue to live peacefully without them as I wasn't impressed by the samples. If "no", then the story is different. The same is right about any other band.
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:16
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Still...

 

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Very sadly... I have to say two things:
 

a) this thread has been moved to the "Improving suggestions" section, whereas its purpose wasn't any improvement;

 

and b) [logically connected with a)] the question wasn't "what the samples should be?", but "are the existent samples sufficiently representative for the corresponding groups?".


well surely if the answer was (and it certainly seems to be) "no",then an improvement would be required....
    
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:15
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

Eloy should defenatly have samples from "Floating", "Inside" and "Ra". To give a wide picture of their music.
And yes, tangerine dream should really have something from their golden years in the mid 70's.

 

    
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=95
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:11
Still...
 
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Very sadly... I have to say two things:
 
a) this thread has been moved to the "Improving suggestions" section, whereas its purpose wasn't any improvement;
 
and b) [logically connected with a)] the question wasn't "what the samples should be?", but "are the existent samples sufficiently representative for the corresponding groups?".
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:06
You put it there today, because a few hours ago I checked and there was only "Anthem"...Wink
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:06
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:


Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark.
True, it doesn't really give a good picture of their music. I suggest something from Phaedra.

You guys really need glasses:
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1295

     
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:06
Very sadly... I have to say two things:
 
a) this thread has been moved to the "Improving suggestions" section, whereas its purpose wasn't any improvement;
 
and b) [logically connected with a)] the question wasn't "what the samples should be?", but "are the existent samples sufficiently representative for the corresponding groups?".
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:02
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Originally posted by proglil49 proglil49 wrote:

The only Deep Purple sample is not really representative.
I think it represents line-up 1 well, but there should be a sample from their 70's hard rock days too.
I posted my answer after proglil49's ... I think that one sample is insufficient for such an influential band. As I have already said, some of the proggier tracks could be chosen, such as "Child in Time" or "Space Truckin", or even "Perfect Strangers"(which has been covered by the ubiquitous DT).


You must be blind:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1969
     
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