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Topic: Turn off your television sets Posted: October 04 2006 at 03:48 |
Ooooh - Connie Beauchamp was on Holby again last night
...sorry
Edited by Jim Garten - October 04 2006 at 03:48
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Jared
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 03:21 |
Jim Garten wrote:
'Spooks' is well worth a watch, too; utter bunkum (I hope... ), but hugely entertaining. |
never bothered with it... I've always been a big fan of Emilia Fox, er I mean Silent Witness tho'..
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jim Garten
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 03:17 |
'Spooks' is well worth a watch, too; utter bunkum (I hope... ), but hugely entertaining.
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Jared
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 12:47 |
Bob Greece wrote:
Jim Garten resurrected my thread. |
It strikes me he needs to listen to a bit of 'Pallas' to soothe his nerves...
tbh, I only get 4 channels, and if it wasn't for BBC2, I think I'd throw the thing out... (well I would now that LOST has finished again... )
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Bob Greece
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 09:30 |
Jim Garten resurrected my thread.
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 09:06 |
I only have one channel on my TV, and it's the spicy-food cooking channel from Holland called 'Red Hot Dutch'.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 03:51 |
I remember a far more innocent age, when Waters singing about having "Fifteen channels of sh*t on my TV to chose from" seemed outlandish to a 17 year old with BBC1, BBC2 & ITV as a choice.
Now, with the wonders of cable, I have something in the order of 100 channels (and bear in mind I did not go for the full cable 'package'); when you cut out the repeat showings of poor UK & US sit coms, the shopping channels, the endless drivel shoveled out by MTV and its ilk, the sensationalist so-called "documentaries" which are more accurately dissections of major disasters churned out to tittilate the wobbling masses ("seconds from disaster", "aircrash investigation"), all punctuated by the endless mass marketing courtesy of our advertising industry (usually every 5 minutes or so), I generally go back to the so-called "terrestrial" channels anyway...
...or go away and read
...although I'm still a sucker for 'Casualty' and 'Holby City' (isn't Connie Beauchamp a hottie!!)
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 17:21 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Dreamer
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 16:44 |
king of Siam wrote:
Great performance. Reminded me of Bill Hicks: "Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their f**king skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!"
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"Honey what time is gladiators on? Are we missing it? Ooooh I'm so glad we're free honey"
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Melomaniac
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 16:39 |
Dreamer wrote:
The idea of millions watching the same thing, at the same time can be quite frightening. But it's all a part of a much bigger problem. The fact that people WANT to see the rubbish on television, and are even amused by it already says something. It is linked to the materialistic consumption that is going on heavily nowadays. Commercials are everywhere, and actual programs are not much more thought provoking then the adverts that seperate them!! (have I just been taking my Huxley books too seriously?)
Interesting thread.
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Brave New World tought us that Utopian societies are very frightening indeed...
and to quote a line from Voivod : One day, will they understand how much the future is here, right now?
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Dreamer
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 16:36 |
The idea of millions watching the same thing, at the same time can be quite frightening. But it's all a part of a much bigger problem. The fact that people WANT to see the rubbish on television, and are even amused by it already says something. It is linked to the materialistic consumption that is going on heavily nowadays. Commercials are everywhere, and actual programs are not much more thought provoking then the adverts that seperate them!! (have I just been taking my Huxley books too seriously?)
Interesting thread.
Edited by Dreamer - September 20 2006 at 16:37
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Bob Greece
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 10:24 |
Sometimes when I watch TV I despair. I see some gory part of a film and I think "am I supposed to be entertained by this?". I just get nothing out of it. Books on the other hand normally give me something to think about. I think back to old books I've read and I can normally think of something from the book that enhances my general knowledge about life. I do enjoy thinking about things and the great thing about books is that the pictures are all inside your head. I do like watching TV but most of it is pretty vacuous. Like it says in that clip from Network, "it's just a circus".
I think the Internet can benefit us as it lets us talk to people in different countries and hear other peoples' views on things. The trouble is that most of the people on the Internet are from North America and Europe but there are still people from other countries.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 02:09 |
I sometimes watch the news and I read a newspaper every Sunday(almost
every Sunday) and I have noticed a certain fall in the quality of the
news, the analysis and so on. But I believe television is one of the worst sources of information. Apart from what it reveals at times..like discoveries, frauds, astronomic phenomena etc. It's just a medium yes but it was conceived as a profit maker whereas the internet was conceived as a way to share info(for military purposes at first). And the companies didn't pay close attention to it or the IT industry for a long time. So it is pretty much full of information and ideas. Now choosing to back up a war considering what history has taught us would naturally take a whole lot more than an attack, or some television shows. And there is one thing I just don't understand... You can choose to send troops to the other side of the planet but saving people on the other side of the planet is a different thing????
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 01:39 |
^ Love the color coded comments - would not be a posting from you Peter without it!
Seriously - Yes we are all connected as human beings on this planet and the "power of one" can be significant in defeating terrorism and war. The major obstacle is how do those of us who care get the message to largely silent and complacent human population? The "Fourth Estate" is a powerful institution and is responsible for what we view on TV and how it affects our opinions on international conflict. Perhaps a revolution in the media [unbiased reporting] is what is ultimately needed before we can even begin to think of change towards better for the human race.
Edited by valravennz - September 20 2006 at 01:40
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Peter
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 01:01 |
stonebeard wrote:
What would you do? Would you take up arms for a cause that doesn't directly effect you? I'd love it if we were helping out the Africans in Darfur rather than being involved in Iraq, and I'm pissed as hell that we were manipulated into supporting such a war. But not watching TV (trying to bring it back to topic a bit) would not have prevented the war. If the higher ups want a war, then we will have a war. The people in charge are really in charge . We are just pawns in a game of chess (another thing most young people don't have a clue about). I'm trying to limit this as much as possible. This is the same reason why I will never fight in a war unless something motivates me very deeply and personally. |
We are all connected on this "spaceship" earth, though it may not seem obvious. And there are always ways to fight for good that don't involve joining an army.
Not one lone person, no -- but millions? Reading newspapers? Info on the net? Going out to vote? Defeating Bush in the first place? A million is composed of ones....
Such as a draft notice, perhaps? Couldn't happen? Guess again!
(Colour-coded commentary for your reading convenience!)
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 20 2006 at 01:01
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:59 |
stonebeard wrote:
king of Siam wrote:
"History repeates itself and it is currently happening again."
We let it happen again, because we don't want to change. We could have helped in Darfur but we wre too busy fighting "terrorism" in Iraq. We live cozy complacent lives away from the problems of the world, but if we change that would mean uncertainty and God forbid work. This is exactly what 10,000 days was about.
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What would you do? Would you take up arms for a cause that doesn't directly effect you? I'd love it if we were helping out the Africans in Darfur rather than being involved in Iraq, and I'm pissed as hell that we were manipulated into supporting such a war. But not watching TV (trying to bring it back to topic a bit) would not have prevented the war. If the higher ups want a war, then we will have a war. The people in charge are really in charge . We are just pawns in a game of chess (another thing most young people don't have a clue about). I'm trying to limit this as much as possible. This is the same reason why I will never fight in a war unless something motivates me very deeply and personally. |
I agree with you there, Andrew, and I think we are lucky that we don't have to live with the draft in the back of our minds everytime the word war floats around congress and the politicians (unlike our fathers and their grandfathers, who weren't given such benefits). This world truly is fugazi... I hate to reference something like in a place like this, but it is true...
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:49 |
king of Siam wrote:
"History repeates itself and it is currently happening again."
We let it happen again, because we don't want to change. We could have helped in Darfur but we wre too busy fighting "terrorism" in Iraq. We live cozy complacent lives away from the problems of the world, but if we change that would mean uncertainty and God forbid work. This is exactly what 10,000 days was about.
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What would you do? Would you take up arms for a cause that doesn't directly effect you? I'd love it if we were helping out the Africans in Darfur rather than being involved in Iraq, and I'm pissed as hell that we were manipulated into supporting such a war. But not watching TV (trying to bring it back to topic a bit) would not have prevented the war. If the higher ups want a war, then we will have a war. The people in charge are really in charge . We are just pawns in a game of chess (another thing most young people don't have a clue about). I'm trying to limit this as much as possible. This is the same reason why I will never fight in a war unless something motivates me very deeply and personally.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:45 |
king of Siam wrote:
You know what happends when people "turn off" their minds don't you?
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Hmmm... I wonder how many of those you are targetting with that pic will be aware of its significance, King?
Quite agree, though -- learn from the past, or repeat it over and over.
Speak up (even by voting) or let those with a hidden agenda slime their way into power.
Armageddon-craving Bible-thumpers vote -- young people looking for immediate gratification don't....
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Anyway Stoney, despite the above, I actually DO still have love, and laughter and hope: I couldn't carry on as a committed dad and educator, if I didn't.
But I don't choose to put "scales" over my own eyes, either.
Age does have a lot to do with how we look at the world, of course, but still, I knew lots about my world as a teen, & I had concerns for the future, and opinions about issues beyond my immediate circle, too (I also partied a lot, to be sure).
Take care, get that education, and become a thinking, caring man.
Cast an informed vote, next election -- don't let the war-mongering, oil-grabbing rich and their ultra-religious sheep/pawns continue to decide your future (and my kids').
See my sig -- 'tis Bowie, BTW.
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 20 2006 at 00:46
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:41 |
It's not television that's the problem, it's the makers of the programs that are the problem.
Television is an inocent medium used by the rich to enslave and dumb-down the masses.
so nothing new really, earlier in the last century we had radio that made the same sh*t, and before that we had books that lied to us with the same intend.
and now we have the internet, creating the illusion of controlling what we see and what we hear, but still those things are controlled by the people with the loudest voices and the evilest of thoughts.
Over the years I have become a cynic, for I saw too many lies, and no-one who really cares speak out, because we are all cynics, we just lean back and enjoy the show, for we all get what we deserve and I don't care anymore.
basically the people is dumb and ignoranbt, and the people want to stay that way, for knowing and understanding brings responsibilities with them.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:40 |
"History repeates itself and it is currently happening again."
We let it happen again, because we don't want to change. We could have helped in Darfur but we wre too busy fighting "terrorism" in Iraq. We live cozy complacent lives away from the problems of the world, but if we change that would mean uncertainty and God forbid work. This is exactly what 10,000 days was about.
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