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Easy Livin 
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Posted: January 14 2007 at 14:27 |
Unfortunately the voting here is meaningless, as the thread allows multiple votes.
I'd suggest a new poll is started with the multiple votes switched off.
I'll close this thread, and start a new one.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 14 2007 at 12:21 |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: January 14 2007 at 12:20 |
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I THINK YES!!!
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 17:35 |
I vote yes.
Progressive rock was born out of psychedelic music. Psychedelia's vast noodling's and experimentation are the very corner stones of prog. As Jimi was clearly a psyche pioneer, and all pychedelic bands are proto-prog, I guess the choice is clear.
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 12:08 |
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How could Talk talk, Queen, Led zep be in (without talking about the whole "prog"metal and neo-prog genres) and not Hendrix? Recent Door's inclusion confirms it.
Edited by oliverstoned - January 09 2007 at 12:09
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Philéas
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 12:07 |
 progismylife wrote:
He has influenced every guitarist since. Too much of a wide influence to be specifically prog related or proto-prog.
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:56 |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski
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progismylife
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:28 |
Chicapah wrote:
Yes. Definitely proto-prog in every sense of the word. He influenced every prog guitarist since. |
He has influenced every guitarist since. Too much of a wide influence to be specifically prog related or proto-prog.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:22 |
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Proto prog. Influenced every guitar player period, combined blues with psychedelia with some unknown style that is forever his. He could easily fit into proto, related, or psychedelic. He's as important as The Doors to psychedelic rock.
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Chicapah
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:15 |
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Yes. Definitely proto-prog in every sense of the word. He influenced every prog guitarist since.
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Siddhartha
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Posted: January 09 2007 at 08:57 |
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yes. proto- prog or psykedelic
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progismylife
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 15:57 |
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Pink Floyd toured with Jimi Hendrix, I think.
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 15:54 |
Axis: Bold As Love and Electric Ladyland as whole albums are the definition of Progressive Rock, as much as Zappa's career of avant fusion output. Jimi definitely deserves to be included as Prog-Related or Proto-Prog because without him the whole english scene would not have had a benchmark for what psychedelic(progressive)music should sound like. Today many try to dismiss the fact that progressive rock was born from the psychedelics that people were ingesting during this time period, which I find as an interesting form of denial and applaud the media for there neverending deception.
Interesting how the facts are so removed from the history today. What will intelligent morons do to rearrange the true facts via media hype in years to come? 
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I guess eveyone will believe in the future that the US invaded Iraq because Hussein was a bad guy, not that the US was losing control of the oil exports from Iraq. March on soldier for the cause, though you may not be aware of it! 
Who has killed more at this point Bush or Hussein? 
Edited by DallasBryan - December 23 2006 at 16:12
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S Lang
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Posted: November 17 2006 at 05:19 |
Tony R wrote:
Philéas wrote:
"I would say"
Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't
accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid
proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to
justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how
this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also
curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than
The Beatles.
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He says that Hendrix played psychedelic music and psychedelic music influenced prog.
He doesnt say that Hendrix started the "Prog movement".
If you are unaware of Hendrix's influence on modern rock music,especially heavy rock,psych and guitar-based Prog,then maybe you need to do some research before making bold statements of disbelief.
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Well said Tony and a big thank you!
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Tony R
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 05:44 |
Philéas wrote:
"I would say"
Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't
accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid
proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to
justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how
this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also
curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than
The Beatles.
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He says that Hendrix played psychedelic music and psychedelic music influenced prog.
He doesnt say that Hendrix started the "Prog movement".
If you are unaware of Hendrix's influence on modern rock music,especially heavy rock,psych and guitar-based Prog,then maybe you need to do some research before making bold statements of disbelief.
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S Lang
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 05:37 |
Philéas wrote:
S Lang wrote:
I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus on commercial success, ie: sales.
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy - flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too. There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out...  |
I own just about everything Hendrix has done. And I don't believe there's enough Prog in there to justify his inclusion as Proto-Prog.
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Pleased to hear, but why bother spending money on something inferior.....?
To me, the Archives remains incomplete without the inclusion of Hendrix, Cream, etc. They did set the trend for Prog, as opposed to numerous Neo-Prog, Prog-Metal performers that are given undue prominence here, at the expense of genuine innovators.
I believe in "live and let live" and in that light, your dogged perseverence for exclusion is not very well received. I am sure that you could name a few that in your opinion don't belong here, but I don't recall such fierce opposition to them. Have I missed something?
Edited by S Lang - November 09 2006 at 05:39
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Philéas
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:15 |
S Lang wrote:
I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but
some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are
notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus
on commercial success, ie: sales.
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles
artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy -
flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius
(Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The
Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out... |
I own just about everything Hendrix has done. And I don't believe
there's enough Prog in there to justify his inclusion as Proto-Prog.
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micky
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 09:57 |
S Lang wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Abstrakt wrote:
If, then he would
need his own genre, "Blues Prog" together with "Cream", "Iron
Butterfly" and others... |
Yes,
we could create a lof of sub genres in proto-prog, and so we could
include Hendrix into psyche blues-rock or prog blues, Jefferson in "US
psyche", etc...that would open the door to even more bands. |
I'd see nothing wrong with that, but please drop that offensive Proto
crap... that was mainly designed for the inclusion of
the Beatles. I will never agree with such humiliating description
to a number of other leading artists.
Hendrix was and is still Prog. Not Proto bullsh*t! Blues aside.... |
hmmmm.... I think proto is the only possible valid reason to see Hendrix in... and that is a stretch
as it is. He was a revolutionary guitarist of course but
the music itself is simply not prog... or really that much of an
influence on prog as a whole. His playing, and what he did for
the guitar is reverered as it should be. Musically though... no way  
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Bilek
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 06:59 |
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^^Hendrix - Davis relationship is interesting, because Davis is said to have written the Mademoiselle Mabry track in Filles de Kilimanjaro album for Betty O. Mabry, who left him for Hendrix! Also, the same track is said to have quoted directly from Hendrix's "The Wind Cries Mary"...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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S Lang
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 14:06 |
Philéas wrote:
I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles.
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I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus on commercial success, ie: sales.
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy - flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too. There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out...
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