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Eetu Pellonpaa 
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 02:14 |
 oliverstoned wrote:
I've tried 2X speed one time on an audiophile burner, and i'll never do it again, as it added a LOT of harshness and saturation, whereas the 1X speed doesn't adds any harshness
and gives an almost identical copy (depends on the burner used). |
I have internal Plextor DVD-RW drive, I write my dics with 48xspeed and the disc are OK. I use wav files for audio sourcews, so they are just 0's and 1's placed on the disc on intended order.
About the full moon, it was very pretty yesternight!  Managed to sleep weel though.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 15:18 |
The record player is not even attached to a computer. 
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 15:17 |
Continue alone if you want, i've got better to do...like listening real music through a real system 
Enjoy your computer!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 15:14 |
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^ indeed, if you're seriously saying that the speed difference (1x/2x) affects the sound in any way.
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 15:11 |
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It's "fool" moon today BTW.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 11:26 |
^ it also depends on the moon phase.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 11:16 |
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I've tried 2X speed one time on an audiophile burner, and i'll never do it again, as it added a LOT of harshness and saturation, whereas the 1X speed doesn't adds any harshness
and gives an almost identical copy (depends on the burner used).
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:54 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Absolutely, 1X speed is the only good. |
I believe that if the CD-R's are OK, and the computer systems and hardware are working fine, there's no trouble with higher speeds. It's ofcourse wise to not have too many processes running at same time on your computer. But I say, stress the iron and find the maximum capacity of your systems! If there are errors occuring at the burning process or there's errors in the final dics, reduce the speed then.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:21 |
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Absolutely, 1X speed is the only good.
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:18 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Of course, it would need a reasonable soundcard and a good CD burner.
I must say that I've never had issues with CD-rs skipping - even when burned at 52x - maybe that's because I always get the best quality CDs I can. |
Quite right. Some of the "on-board" pc soundcards are pretty poor and you will hear the degradation when you record stuff. There are some good USB cards about which are great for laptops which often have no audio line-in socket. The other advantage of USB is that you don't need to take the computer to bits.
I would always advise burning the CD as slow as you have time to do. It's just logic really; the faster you burn the disc the less time the laser has on each pit and the less accurate it is. Therefore the error rate is higher and the player has to work harder to read the disc. Of course higher quality discs and writers will give better results.
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Neil
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:10 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Indeed, cables need some running-in time, even more with high end cables if it features boxes. Actually everything's needs running-in, even welds needs some time cause there's an alchemy between the different matters.
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..and if you don't do this the elves will let the dragons into your vinyl store 
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 12:16 |
oliverstoned wrote:
But any signal input goes through the burner's converter and this one adds its sonic signature.
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A digital signal input doesn't need to go through any converter.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:23 |
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Ooops! yes you're right. I use a two deck's Pionner actually.
You're right. Using the analog input, it doesn't goes through the burner's converter. That's what i should use it when i burn CD, using my playback Cd setup would be better. For sure my Sonic Frontiers drive and my Goldmund converter explode any burner.
In this case (recording analog or from an external CD source), your Philips burner may work, as just the mechanic works (and the're all the same cheap ones on burners anyway).
Apologizes to say BS!!
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:17 |
you posted this Denon model which has no reader Olivier, only the recorder!!! Check it out for yourself, there is no tray for the reading part. The Phillips I a talking about comes (as with this one above most likely too) with three possibilities on the back panel:
Analog input (to which of course there is a digitalyser) >> for vinyls, cassettes and others sources (Reel To Reel or live recordings)
Digital input (to which you connect your Cd player (you would be dumb to connect it isthe analog input and take the risk of redigitalising digital)
optical input (for this, you must hace an external deck equipped for this )
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:14 |
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Sure. Philips devices only features poor converters. Arcam is far beyond. Philips produces good mechanics ("CD pro") which are used on high end drives, but no good converters, from what i know.
Edited by oliverstoned - August 13 2006 at 06:28
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:10 |
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I can categorically state that I get a better sound reproduction via my Arcam player than I do via the Philips CD Burner. I am not imagining this
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Sure. Musical CD-Players beautify the signal during D/A conversion ... they basically upsample it from 16bit/44.1khz to 24bit/96khz and smoothen the signal in that process (the gaps are interpolated using sine functions). The resulting signal sounds better, agreed. But my PC soundcard is also capable of doing that, and of course it doesn't matter at all during burning, because the upsampling can only be done during playback. The only piece of circuitry that matters during recording is the A/D conversion ... and in that area HiFi-Burners are superior to cheap PC soundcards. But if you use a Creative X-Fi, several independent tests show that there is no audible difference.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:55 |
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You mean you use your player as source and the burner just to record?
The burners i know features two decks: one for reading and one for record (in case of CD duplication).
But any signal input goes through the burner's converter and this one adds its sonic signature.
Edited by oliverstoned - August 13 2006 at 05:55
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:50 |
oliverstoned wrote:
The burner's converter musicality is important. |
the output of your CD player is a lot more important and since you use the digital output cables (or the fibre optics) , the converter does not interact . It only does in case of vinyls , which I agree is important too in this particular thread since it is about vinyls
The standalone stereo from Phillips model I was speaking of is called CDR570
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Tony R
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 20:55 |
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I have a standalone HiFi Cd Burner as well as my PC Cd writer.
Its a Philips model and records with a minimum of fuss. The CD-R Music blank discs for these players used to be lot more expensice than standard CD-R as they carry some sort of levy which goes to the Performing Rights Assoc.My dad has a similar player (except 2 drawers)and he got 25 blank discs for £5 recently. I use my PC for copying discs these days,purely for convenience.
I have an Arcam CD 72 CD player and I connect to the Philips from this using an optical cable.
Both machines connect to my amp using the same QED cable.My amp is a Nad and my speakers are B&Ws.
I can categorically state that I get a better sound reproduction via my Arcam player than I do via the Philips CD Burner. I am not imagining this
Edited by Tony R - August 12 2006 at 20:57
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:23 |
oliverstoned wrote:
The burner's converter musicality is important. |
In what way?
It's only recording data.
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