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erik neuteboom
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Topic: Can we put Rush in the super prog category? Posted: August 10 2006 at 12:21 |
Genesis started and ended as a kind of Bee Gee 'pastisch' (to quote Tony Banks about their first), progressive pop !
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 07:58 |
Tony R wrote:
erik neuteboom wrote:
I am not religious, Tony so what do you mean ? |
It means "this is true" or "I agree"
What's next?
"Can we really include Genesis in the super prog category when they spent 70% of their career making pop music?"
(do the math: 1969-1977 prog band, 1977-1997 pop band)
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Actually it's 1970-1980
"FGTR" is hardly a Prog Rock album - it's lightweight folk.
Also, "Duke" is surprisingly sophisticated underneath the accessible veneer.
But the mathematics still stand - in a career lasting from 1969 to the present day, a span of 37 years, only 10 were spent creating Prog Rock.
Admittedly it's among the very best that Prog has to offer, but it's still a very small percentage, when compared to, as a casual and random example, Radiohead.
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 07:15 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
I am not religious, Tony so what do you mean ? |
It means "this is true" or "I agree"
What's next?
"Can we really include Genesis in the super prog category when they spent 70% of their career making pop music?"
(do the math: 1969-1977 prog band, 1977-1997 pop band)
Edited by Tony R - August 10 2006 at 07:15
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 07:07 |
I am not religious, Tony so what do you mean ?
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 07:06 |
Amen to that Erik!
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 07:03 |
When I started this thread I didn't expect at least 15 pages! But on the other hand, it's no surprise because on one hand Rush appeals to many progheads and on the other hand Rush evokes a lot of bad and negative feelings and opinions. This guarantees reactions ...
To start with the negative reactions about Rush, I think one of the main reasons is that Rush is basically a rock and roll-oriented band, they have always put a lot of R&R into their music, especially Alex Lifeson. And that's different from Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, the (other?) 'supergroups', these are known for a more 'sophisticated' approach, an approach that appeals more to the progheads who tend to look at progressive rock as pure art: First Of Fifth, Awaken, Starless, Trilogy or Shine On You Crazy Diamond (classic symphonic rock) are totally different progrock than The Trees, A Farewell To Kings or The Spirit Of The Radio ('symphonic rock and roll'). I have the strong idea that the pure rock element in those abovementioned Rush compositions has led to a lot of contempt for this Canadian trio. Personally Rush (76-84 era) appealed to me because they succeeded to blend rock and roll with progressive ideas in a very fascinating and captivating way, this created a lot of tension in Rush their compositions !
So, finally, is Rush a supergroup in comparison with the symphonic rock dinosaurs from The Seventies?
Here are six points to consider':
1) huge musical influence
2) a serie of essential albums
3) big sales/high chart positions
4) sold out tours
5) excellent stage show
6) great technical - and compositional skills
My answers:
1) yes but less than the symphonic rock dinosaurs
2) yes but less generally acclaimed than the symphonic rock dinosaurs
3) yes, even superior to other symphonic rock dinosaurs
4) yes, no doubt about that!
5) yes, very exciting and high-tec
6) yes, outstanding and innovative
My conclusion: RUSH IS A SUPERGROUP !!!
Edited by erik neuteboom - August 10 2006 at 07:05
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 06:15 |
Sacred 22 wrote:
It's kind of like comparing an apple to a corn field though.
Are you the apple of my eye or is it a field of dreams????? |
Omg! The return of the cornfield! I will choose the apple yet again!
Edited by Philéas - August 10 2006 at 06:15
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 02:38 |
I would say that Rush is a progressive rock band. A super prog band as I am to believe which would include the likes of Yes, Crimson, Genesis, etc etc?...............In my opinion..............no.
It's kind of like comparing an apple to a corn field though.
Are you the apple of my eye or is it a field of dreams?????
One hell of a band though, all joking aside.
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 20:12 |
I think Counterparts takes it as the post Presto album, but I still think it's a very good release. The first three songs are really knockouts.
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 18:35 |
micky wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
So, are the Beastie boys progressive?
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oh hell yeah they were... not prog... but very progressive I would think...
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Micky took the words out of my mouth. Progressive, but not prog.
Everything progressive is not necessarily prog (which, for example, is
why I don't like the fact that Between the Buried and Me have been
added here). The Beastie Boys were progressive, but we can all agree
that they hardly were prog. Same thing goes for BtBaM.
Anyways, any more Roll the Bones supporters?
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:51 |
well.... more agressive ...?
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:04 |
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:02 |
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:01 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:45 |
Philéas wrote:
I find everyone bashing most of Rush's work after Presto. At least Roll
the Bones was brilliant. Don't let the bit of rap (which is
proffesionally written and skillfully executed) in the titletrack put
you off.
Edit: Fusing styles is progressive.
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So, are the Beastie boys progressive?
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:42 |
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 10:25 |
I find everyone bashing most of Rush's work after Presto. At least Roll
the Bones was brilliant. Don't let the bit of rap (which is
proffesionally written and skillfully executed) in the titletrack put
you off.
Edit: Fusing styles is progressive.
Edited by Philéas - August 08 2006 at 11:36
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 04:25 |
I have tried to appreciate Dream Theater but apart from some exciting moments on their DVD's (amazing interplay, sensational keyboard work) their music simply fails to keep my attention, for me it's a cascade of scale-acrobatics and it sounds too clinical too me. Rush since Presto also fails to keep my attention, that the only parallel ..
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 21:13 |
I guess they are in title to be along with Genesis, ELP, Crimson, Yes, Floyd and Jethro Tull... but as I am not the biggest Rush fan I must say that if they get to that category, we must take in consideration all the crap the band has released! I mean from Presto till now...its pretty bad music if you ask me...and then again I theink that their golden years are good...but not in the same level as Genesis, Yes or King Crimson so name a few...
But then again, they have sold so much and influecned so many, that I guess they deserve it...
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