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Tony R 
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 07:09 |
 Güdron wrote:
Well, any discussion carries that potential. It is not the subject of discussion that inflames things, but people who participate in it. But this is just an attempt to gather some statistics, so no argument is even needed here for per sake. |
I am closing this thread. Not because I want to curtail freedom of speech but rather to show my utter contempt for its initiator...
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 00:54 |
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I don't support either.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 00:52 |
Atkingani wrote:
dralan wrote:
Wow I find it surprising that more people here support the Arabs than the Jews. As an American citizen and a Christian naturally I am more sympathetic to the Jews. So you mean to tell me you support Iran, Iraq, Palestine (whatever that is), Syria and all the other Arab nations that breed and sponsor terrorism? Israel has for years compromised and traded their land off in the name of peace. For 2000 years the Jewish people have had no place to call home and all they ask for is one little bitty strip of land, yet they are continually persecuted and made to look like the bad guy. I think they are finally fed up and decided they are not taking sh*t off these people anymore. I know all Arab people are not terrorists and I am not a racist, but lets be realistic. |
Only to remind that Iran (and Afghanistan and Pakistan) are not Arab countries; the Chechens aren't Arabs too. Also several real Arab countries do not sponsor or support terrorism being also among the great oppositors of terror activities, like: Egypt, Jordan, Morrocco, Qatar, Bahrein, United Arab Emirates, etc. |
That's the problem when some terms are used in a racist context.
Arabs vs Jews?????
For God's sake, this sounds like saying, it's their problem, I don't care and placing two whole races and at least one religion in one sack.
Iván
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Atkingani
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 23:13 |
dralan wrote:
Wow I find it surprising that more people here support the Arabs than the Jews. As an American citizen and a Christian naturally I am more sympathetic to the Jews. So you mean to tell me you support Iran, Iraq, Palestine (whatever that is), Syria and all the other Arab nations that breed and sponsor terrorism? Israel has for years compromised and traded their land off in the name of peace. For 2000 years the Jewish people have had no place to call home and all they ask for is one little bitty strip of land, yet they are continually persecuted and made to look like the bad guy. I think they are finally fed up and decided they are not taking sh*t off these people anymore. I know all Arab people are not terrorists and I am not a racist, but lets be realistic. |
Only to remind that Iran (and Afghanistan and Pakistan) are not Arab countries; the Chechens aren't Arabs too. Also several real Arab countries do not sponsor or support terrorism being also among the great oppositors of terror activities, like: Egypt, Jordan, Morrocco, Qatar, Bahrein, United Arab Emirates, etc.
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WaywardSon
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:47 |
^^^^
I agree 100% with dralan. Good post 
Edited by RycheMan - July 17 2006 at 21:49
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dralan
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:04 |
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Wow I find it surprising that more people here support the Arabs than the Jews. As an American citizen and a Christian naturally I am more sympathetic to the Jews. So you mean to tell me you support Iran, Iraq, Palestine (whatever that is), Syria and all the other Arab nations that breed and sponsor terrorism? Israel has for years compromised and traded their land off in the name of peace. For 2000 years the Jewish people have had no place to call home and all they ask for is one little bitty strip of land, yet they are continually persecuted and made to look like the bad guy. I think they are finally fed up and decided they are not taking sh*t off these people anymore. I know all Arab people are not terrorists and I am not a racist, but lets be realistic.
Edited by dralan - July 17 2006 at 21:09
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 12:20 |
NotAProghead wrote:
Both.
Ordinary people from both sides are victims of some b*stards' games. |
Agreed.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Philéas
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 09:46 |
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I used to fully support the Palestinians a couple of years back, but as
I grow older and learn from life I realise that I can't support neither
Israel nor Palestine. Because as soon as a palestinian terrorist blows
something up in Israel, Israel blows something up in Palestine, or even
occupies parts of it. The only effect that has is negative, since more
Palestinians will blow things up in Israel, and Israel will blow more
stuff up in Palestine, and so it continues for, it seems to me, an
eternity. It's a catch 22 situation.
The actual problem is not that the Palestinians blows stuff up in
Israel, or that Israel blows stuff up in Palestine, the problem is that
neither of them are willing to get together and try to solve the
situation through diplomacy. Therefore I didn't vote in this poll.
Edited by Philéas - July 17 2006 at 09:47
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Güdron
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 09:01 |
Well, any discussion carries that potential. It is not the subject of discussion that inflames things, but people who participate in it. But this is just an attempt to gather some statistics, so no argument is even needed here for per sake.
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resistance is futile
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 09:01 |
Atkingani wrote:
Keeping an eye (or two) here. In case of derailing this poll will be closed! |
What Atkingani said.............
This is an inflammatory poll at best.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: July 16 2006 at 18:47 |
Both.
Ordinary people from both sides are victims of some b*stards' games.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 23:20 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Not meaning to be nit-picking but arab is not a religion , Muslim is. I know some Arabs who are Jews and other that are Christians. Better yet, I find the atheist Arabs to be the most fascinating people.
Outside of this I agree with your post |
Yes you're right, again I as thinking in Spanish and then translating  , we say Árabe in coloquial language to refer both to the religion and the race, very few people refer to the religion as "Musulmanes".
But anyway, the poll is still sectarian because it refers to people from nations with a proper name refering to them as a Religion/Race (In the case of Jewish) and race in the case of Arabs.
Iván
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 21:18 |
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Israel is acting as a swell-funded superpower with military muscles to
flex. These actions are just as much atrocities as North Korea, Iran,
or any other one of our "enemies", it's just they're fighting with
objectives in which we find benefit so we applaud it. This should not
be an argument where if you disagree with what Israel is currently
doing, you in turn support the Arab world. I know most people in the
west are racist and islamaphobic, so let's just leave that out of
things - continue to live in your wrongs. But even with that the case,
you should still recognize how wrong Israel is acting, and even as a
supporter of Israel, you should be worried. They have dug themselves
into a hole that is asking for violence.
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goose
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 21:09 |
Güdron wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
This is an inflammatory poll at best! |
Why, because you don’t have an opinion, or because it doesn’t meet your criteria of political correctness? |
Or because it could inflame things, perhaps?
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Atkingani
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 20:54 |
Sincerely, a single POLL in the "team you support" style seems not fair, mainly because there are thousands of lives involved (also ours, directly or indirectly).
We could learn and understand better the situation in ME through a thread in the DNRTM forum just like some buddies are doing.
Keeping an eye (or two) here. In case of derailing this poll will be closed!
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 20:33 |
Güdron wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
This is an inflammatory poll at best! |
Why, because you don’t have an opinion, or because it doesn’t meet your criteria of political correctness? |
I have an opinion and I am not politically correct.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 16:27 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
This issue is far too complex to answer with a simple answer The Jews or The Arabs (Both terms sound racist when used in this context, specially comming from a USA citizen, a country where no person must be identified by their religion).
This a problem that comes way from behind and impossible to analyze in a simple A or B choice.
Iván |
Not meaning to be nit-picking but arab is not a religion , Muslim is. I know some Arabs who are Jews and other that are Christians. Better yet, I find the atheist Arabs to be the most fascinating people.
Outside of this I agree with your post
Even if the Israelis are definitely not helping their cause (and turning lotsa people even more against their cause) with this completely disproportionate response >>>> to mosquito bites, they are ready to set fire to the whole planet
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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maani
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 16:15 |
Ivan:
Thank you. You said it perfectly.
Peace.
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video vertigo
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 00:01 |
I don't really agree with the site that this comes from but this sign is funny as well as a few others of theirs.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 23:26 |
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Oddly enough, I get asked to take sides on this quite often. Political activism is a major league sport in Ann Arbor. My view on this is that there is no point in taking sides. This is a clash of ideology, and opinion. There is no way that one side will prevail over the other by force. You just can't change minds that way. The sooner that both the Arabs, and the Jews, realize this, the sooner they can start making some real progress.
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