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Poll Question: If Fish stayed after CAS, how much longer would they have lasted?
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^ Perhaps your are right. Hackett could not have fitted in Marillion. He would be the father giving guidance and structure to these fighting lads. Probably not his thing to do....
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Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Steve Rothery would have left and they would have asked Steve Hackett, who had produced one great solo album, one good solo album and one nice solo album and was sliding into the depth of history.
The band would be amazing.....


    I have to disagree there. True, Marillion with Hackett would have been amazing, but he has done much more than three noteworthy albums. And, just like Fish, needs to do his own thing.
    It's a shame that Fish had to leave, because I just don't care for the band with Hogarth. I do like a lot of his solo work, but I can understand the comments about him needing consistency. The whole was definitely greater than the sum of its parts.

    
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Originally posted by piltdown man piltdown man wrote:

I think that Frank Usher (the principal music writer for Fish) writes stuff that really compliments the type of sound that Fish wants. The rest of his many incarnations of his band also helped create good music to coincide with Fish's beautiful lyrics.


Agreed. Though Fish really needs a consistant band to work with him.
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Actually Frank Usher doesn´t write much music for Fish - I´d say only a handful of songs during Fish´s solo career, about 8 albums. Personally I like Mickey Simmonds work on  Vigil... and Turrell/Daghorns music on Raingods best. But I agree the changes in line-up makes the it difficult to know if you´re going to like the next Fish-album.
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I know later in his solo career (on his most recent album, Field of Crows, for example), Usher worked on most of the music. If Fish gets a consistent lineup to work with, then one may know what the next Fish album may sound like, because with all the different musicians he's had over the years, his sound has changed dramatically.
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Prefer Fish era! Just can't get into Hogarth!
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Originally posted by Tasartir Tasartir wrote:

He would have left after the next album definetely. Fish just had to make his own road, by himself.



Agree... Being realistic, that's exactly what would happen---
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I think that Frank Usher (the principal music writer for Fish) writes stuff that really compliments the type of sound that Fish wants. The rest of his many incarnations of his band also helped create good music to coincide with Fish's beautiful lyrics.
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Agreed. Though Fish really needs a consistant band to work with him.
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Actually Frank Usher doesn´t write much music for Fish - I´d say only a handful of songs during Fish´s solo career, about 8 albums. Personally I like Mickey Simmonds work on  Vigil... and Turrell/Daghorns music on Raingods best. But I agree the changes in line-up makes the it difficult to know if you´re going to like the next Fish-album.
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Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by piltdown man piltdown man wrote:

I believe it was all up to Fish if he wanted in or out of Marillion. In case of him staying in the band it would only have been for a follow up. Nowadays I think it´s quite clear that Fish is missing the Marillios than the band is missing him; H is a great singer and good writer. They are doing fine but I think Fish is missing someone who can write really good music for his often well-written lyrics.
I think that Frank Usher (the principal music writer for Fish) writes stuff that really compliments the type of sound that Fish wants. The rest of his many incarnations of his band also helped create good music to coincide with Fish's beautiful lyrics.


Agreed. Though Fish really needs a consistant band to work with him.
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Well, IF Fish stayed probably they would have gone to the mountains for a month and do some serious talking.
Thereafter probably Steve Rothery would have left and they would have asked Steve Hackett, who had produced one great solo album, one good solo album and one nice solo album and was sliding into the depth of history.
 
The band would be amazing.....
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read the excellent biography "separated out" by jon
collins. apparently the band was in deeeeeeep sh*t
during the CAS-period (the various reasons are
better commented elsewhere) therefore fish leaving
was an inevitable thing.
    

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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Originally posted by piltdown man piltdown man wrote:

I believe it was all up to Fish if he wanted in or out of Marillion. In case of him staying in the band it would only have been for a follow up. Nowadays I think it´s quite clear that Fish is missing the Marillios than the band is missing him; H is a great singer and good writer. They are doing fine but I think Fish is missing someone who can write really good music for his often well-written lyrics.
I think that Frank Usher (the principal music writer for Fish) writes stuff that really compliments the type of sound that Fish wants. The rest of his many incarnations of his band also helped create good music to coincide with Fish's beautiful lyrics.
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Originally posted by Tristan Mulders Tristan Mulders wrote:

Fish left because of issues with the band and the music business in general, so I guess he would only be more frustrated if he stayed with the band and would have left after the follow-up... but luckily that didn't happen, because then we wouldn't have had Steve Hogarth, because he would be a milkman at that time LOL
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...and I am very happy that H joined this band.

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Fish left because of issues with the band and the music business in general, so I guess he would only be more frustrated if he stayed with the band and would have left after the follow-up... but luckily that didn't happen, because then we wouldn't have had Steve Hogarth, because he would be a milkman at that time LOL
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I think there's possible truth in all opinions posted here, but I think the poll is wrong. Fish would have left at some point, be it after CAS or one of it's successors, but option one is true regardless of when he left. At least to me... and Marillion with H are living proof of it....

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I believe it was all up to Fish if he wanted in or out of Marillion. In case of him staying in the band it would only have been for a follow up. Nowadays I think it´s quite clear that Fish is missing the Marillios than the band is missing him; H is a great singer and good writer. They are doing fine but I think Fish is missing someone who can write really good music for his often well-written lyrics.
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To be honest if Fish continued with them the hole band would probably have imploded, besides, he was almost completely lost in self pitty on CAS IMO, its hard to see where Fish would have taken them after that.
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I can't see that early 80s Marillion style being carried over into the 90s unless they would have undergone a big change.  But they did that with Hogarth so...
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Just trying to convince myself to Marbles and I am longing for Fish although I agree H has better voice. At least Fish era Marillion did not make me want to sleep.
 
They should come back to Derek and lick his feet and they will rule. They would be great until now!!
 
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He wanted to leave. So, if he had to stay past CaS, it would only be for one album, unless he had a change of heart. On reflection, Marillion were possibly better off without Fish, at least in the long run.
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