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    Posted: December 09 2004 at 19:03
Originally posted by The Owl The Owl wrote:

I just saw Umphrey's McGee a week ago here in Atlanta, and MAN they were amazing, and EXTREMELY proggy (especially in the second set!). Not many jam-bands hit this depth of musicianship but Umphrey's McGhee sure got my attention and made me forget about Phish and The Grateful Dead (who quite honestly bore the crap out of me!).

Their originals were very unpredictable and quirky and the cover tunes just as much (ranging from Chick Corea's "Captain Senor Mouse" to Metallica's "And Justice For All" though I could've done very well without the Doobie's "Black Water" though), the two guitarists intertwined beautifully, killer keyboards (lotsa analog), great rhythm section and not a snoozy moment!

Umphrey's something else. Hopefully they'll make the West Coast in support of Anchor Drops.
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Manring is amazing, but I have to agree with Dick.... Jonas Hellborg is THE man. He elevates the bass to a level that amazes me. Check out Sean Malone. Before long, his name will be rolling about with more frequency.

 
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

I'd like primus if the band didnt' exist. 

honestly, les claypool is an amazing bassist, i think what he's done with that instrument takes jaco to a whole new level, 

 

 

Phew??? I admire Claypool's bass playing, which is  innovative and distinctive within the rock scene. But while he makes a reasonable fist doing a Stanley Clarke cover somewhere on record, there are so many excellent jazz, or more specifically jazz rock fusion electric bass players out there, who have moved bass playing on from Jaco's inspiration, and  I have to say Claypool isn't up in their league. And one who has stuck pretty rigorously to the 4 string electric and acoustic bass guitars (as opposed to the 5 ,6 7, 8, and greater numbers of  strings) and produced a dazzling run of 15 + solo album, then you really must check out Jonas Hellborg.



Point taken... so maybe i exaggerated. I was aiming more at his actual playing technique, not so much his originality. He certainly has the technical potential to go beyond clarke and jaco, he just won't do it... for whatever reason.  I don't know who here has heard of a bassist named Michael Manring, but I would consider him much closer in terms of technique and creativity to jaco and clarke than claypool... I saw Manring perform solo, and it was incredible! And his basses were pretty slick too, to say the least
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I just saw Umphrey's McGee a week ago here in Atlanta, and MAN they were amazing, and EXTREMELY proggy (especially in the second set!). Not many jam-bands hit this depth of musicianship but Umphrey's McGhee sure got my attention and made me forget about Phish and The Grateful Dead (who quite honestly bore the crap out of me!).

Their originals were very unpredictable and quirky and the cover tunes just as much (ranging from Chick Corea's "Captain Senor Mouse" to Metallica's "And Justice For All" though I could've done very well without the Doobie's "Black Water" though), the two guitarists intertwined beautifully, killer keyboards (lotsa analog), great rhythm section and not a snoozy moment!



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Who does the vocals... That's a make or break for me. I'd prefer instrumental stuff to bands with poor voices.  

Some folks just don't know when to shut up and play.



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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by yarstruly yarstruly wrote:

I think Oysterhead was pretty prog....

 

But what of Frog Brigade with their Krimson and Pfloyd covers.....................

Not familiar with that...enlighten me?
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Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

I'd like primus if the band didnt' exist. 

honestly, les claypool is an amazing bassist, i think what he's done with that instrument takes jaco to a whole new level, 

 

 

Phew??? I admire Claypool's bass playing, which is  innovative and distinctive within the rock scene. But while he makes a reasonable fist doing a Stanley Clarke cover somewhere on record, there are so many excellent jazz, or more specifically jazz rock fusion electric bass players out there, who have moved bass playing on from Jaco's inspiration, and  I have to say Claypool isn't up in their league. And one who has stuck pretty rigorously to the 4 string electric and acoustic bass guitars (as opposed to the 5 ,6 7, 8, and greater numbers of  strings) and produced a dazzling run of 15 + solo album, then you really must check out Jonas Hellborg.
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Originally posted by yarstruly yarstruly wrote:

I think Oysterhead was pretty prog....

 

But what of Frog Brigade with their Krimson and Pfloyd covers.....................
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I think Oysterhead was pretty prog....
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Primus also does things that you don't hear too much of in mainstream music, esp with that bass lead.
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I wouldn't say Primus were a jam band as such...


They aren't, and les IS a horrible singer. But I still like them, cuz their songs are wikid addictive.

Anyway, I call them prog rock, don't care what anyone else says. Primus has odd-time sigs, changes, hard to play riffs, and sometimes long songs.

Primus are Prog and should be put in the archives.
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I'd like primus if the band didnt' exist. 

honestly, les claypool is an amazing bassist, i think what he's done with that instrument takes jaco to a whole new level, and if jaco was still around i'm sure he'd be diggin' his playing like no other.... unfortunately, primus is crap. maybe sailing the seas of cheese is alright, and you can stretch it for pork soda, but the band is too goofy and too punk/grunge for my taste.
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Points: 3525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2004 at 16:55

Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

I'd like Primus if Claypool didn't sing. Too much of a goof factor.

I had the exact same thought at first. Now I think he's more of a 'character' singer, like Lou Reed or Tom Waits (or Frank Zappa).
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I'd like Primus if Claypool didn't sing. Too much of a goof factor.
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I wouldn't say Primus were a jam band as such...
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Concerning Umphrey's McGee

 

I read a story on them in the current Guitar Player issue. They consider themselves prog rock. The guitarist said, loosely, that Prog Rock has a high level of cheese, but it's the best music you'll even hear.   
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That's a pretty good list ya got there. It's all about improvisation. Others include:

Blues Traveler

Big Head Todd and the Monsters

Any of the Gratefull Dead offshoots.

Dave Matthews Band

Widespread Panic

Here's a link to Relix magazine. This mag is all about Jam bands.

http://www.relix.com/

 

Ozric Tentacles and Djam Karet are included in the Jam Band genre.



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