21st. Century Schizoid Band.

bhikkhu wrote:     The Crimson Jazz Trio reinterprets the songs. Schizoid Band has yet to do anything original, or set them apart from KC (which still exists).

However, if it was your music/arrangement in the first place, surely the originality of the interpretation remains your's......?

Thanks Dick. I'll eagerly keep an eye out for your reports on this.

I'm concerned at any hint that the band may have folded. I see that there web site has not been updated for some time now. Please keep us abreast of any news in this regard.

TO TERRA AUSTRALIS:
Agreed!

I understand very well the contractual/copyright/royalty and restraint of trade issues.[It's a part of what I do].They certainly have some significance in exactly this sought of case altho. I understand ,from their web site ,that Mr. Fripp doesn't have a problem with 21stCSB.

What I don't understand is the desire to call them a tribute band, but there's no point in going over old ground.

Unless someone else also wants to take up the cudgels on their behalf, I guess we'll have to wait for some newly released original material before they will be considered for PA. It's a shame in my view, but c'est la vie!

The discussion has so far raised some interesting points if anyone has more to add. Thanks for your views so far. That's all from me.

TO BHIKKHU:
I agree that it is puzzling that they haven't yet released new material given their musical pedigrees. It lends support to your view that they're chasing the money- the stepping stone argument ,at this stage.

Regarding your query, I was responding to IVAN when he suggests that any new material won't sound like KC.I'm not sure that they would want to.

My other observation about people being disappointed with them or not liking them is from the point of view of those KC/Fripp die -hards who may not like anything they do simply because they are not KC and have the audacity to 'cover' the early material. This is not my view, but already this approach is starting to show through from some of the posts. This is what I am getting at when I suggest that this band will always polarise the views of fans. There will always be some who would say 'How dare they .They are not King Crimson , never will be and have nothing to do with King Crimson any more.'The die-hards may simply never accept them no matter what they do - good or bad doing originals ,the older material or whatever.

I have been encouraged by a previous post that accepted them as filling a void by doing the earlier material now ,when KC no longer does it , leaving the question of their originality or otherwise aside.

NO MRGD you're not a minority, thre only two debating are you and me and our opinions count exactly the same.

Iván

mrgd wrote: My point is that this band is more original to the early KC and it's material back then than the existing band.   No MRGD, they are not original in any sense, they are just performing stuff from another band. King Crimson was original when released ITCOTCK, ITWOP or LTIA nobody else playing that stuff is or can be called original.   They are closer to the sound King Crimson once created and that is called copying because if they wanted to be original they could do as Yes with America or Manfred Man with Blinded by the Light, that's what i call an oroiginal cover.   Does the existing KC with it's one original member still perform this early KC stuff or even want to?   No,. they already left that stage of their life and career behind.   If it did ,it would sound much different for obvious reasons, the most compelling of which being that half the guys who made it famous are in another band.   That would be much more original than playing the same songs with the exact same arrangements.   Therefore I cannot agree with this tribute band tag . They are and remain an original band in their own right,imo.   They have not released a single original track MRGD, they can't be original.      In any event,one thing we can all agree on and hope for is some new material from these great musicians . That would make us all happy.   Of course, but even then, I'm sure their new stuff will sound nothing close to King Crimson.   Iván

mrgd wrote:      It's pleasing that this band is starting to generate some interest in at least one forum.   Yes, they are good as The Musical Box ( http://www.themusicalbox.net/ ) this is thecloser I can get to a Genesis 70's concert, both cases are identical.      Yes, the live recordings to date only include a couple of recent originals. There's a Mel Collins tune and one of Jakko's songs. Remember though they also do some 'McDonald and Giles' tunes and possibly an Ian McDonald original or two as well.   Let them release an album with original stuff.     I'm not sure how a 'tribute band' is defined.   A band that plays exclusively material ppreviously released by another band, not trying to make something different, but to recreate the concerts and albums of the original band.   Some would argue that this band has become THE band .   Ther's no King Crimson without Robert Fripp as there's no Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson.   In this case ,as I understand it ,4 out of 5 have been members of the early KC including at least one original member. The band has included three of the members of 'McDonald an Giles'. So, I pose the question, exactly to whom should any tribute be paid?   Well, they have to pay royalties for released albums as Roger Waters has to pay royalties to Pink Floyd.     In any event, I did read that they have been writing some new original material to be released at some future time.   Lets wait untuil then.         [Please note I say 'some new original material' because I dare say at least 2 or 3 of them may have had a hand in writing some of the KC material they now play. If I am right about that, it tends to deflate the 'tribute band' argument even further,imo].   King Crimson exists now, King Crimson is releasing albums, the name King Crimson is property of Mr. Robert Fripp, ergo, they are simply a tribute band playing King Crimson's old music.   Of course it's only my opinion and I may be wrong.   Iván

     It's pleasing that this band is starting to generate some interest in at least one forum.

     Yes, the live recordings to date only include a couple of recent originals. There's a Mel Collins tune and one of Jakko's songs. Remember though they also do some 'McDonald and Giles' tunes and possibly an Ian McDonald original or two as well.

    I'm not sure how a 'tribute band' is defined. Some would argue that this band has become THE band . In this case ,as I understand it ,4 out of 5 have been members of the early KC including at least one original member. The band has included three of the members of 'McDonald an Giles'. So, I pose the question, exactly to whom should any tribute be paid?

    In any event, I did read that they have been writing some new original material to be released at some future time.

        [Please note I say 'some new original material' because I dare say at least 2 or 3 of them may have had a hand in writing some of the KC material they now play. If I am right about that, it tends to deflate the 'tribute band' argument even further,imo].
    

    Did some checking. The consensus seems to be that they only qualify as a tribute band. If they do some originals, things may change. Keep watching.