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Certif1ed 
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Posted: November 30 2004 at 05:40 |
...but what I am saying is that with hindsight we could accept this as a prog album, as it meets many, if not most of the criteria - and stands out above most, if not all other psychedelia. It's certainly far more prog than, say S. F. Sorrow to my ears - the latter being a collection more of psychedelically stylised songs, while the former is packed full of surprises and does not linger within a single style domain.
Have I tempted you over to the Prog side of the Dawn?
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Posted: November 30 2004 at 05:31 |
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I spent a mesmerised 40 minutes last night listening to the finer points of "Piper at the Gates of Dawn"... man, that is not just a psychedelic album - you can plainly hear Roger inistently maintaining a structured bass underneath the Barrett machinations. The feel may be psychedelic, but the approach appears to be pure prog.
I'm very tempted to put this forward as the first prog album - 1967.
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Somebody had to stay sober whilst the main man was tripping musically, spiritually and physiologically - as was most of the audience. Categorisation at the time: (the epitomy of) underground music most certainly, but sub-division psychedelia (rather than progressive music).
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Posted: November 30 2004 at 04:26 |
I spent a mesmerised 40 minutes last night listening to the finer points of "Piper at the Gates of Dawn"... man, that is not just a psychedelic album - you can plainly hear Roger inistently maintaining a structured bass underneath the Barrett machinations. The feel may be psychedelic, but the approach appears to be pure prog.
I'm very tempted to put this forward as the first prog album - 1967.
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 14:51 |
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I dont see what is homophobic about mentioning mutual masturbation, just because it is a big gay-boy pursuit!
As for liking me-"you-know-who" will be jealous!
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 13:24 |
I will throw one other album into the mix. It is called Mass in F minor by the Electric Prunes released in 1968. Since it based on the high liturgical Latin mass the original music was based on music of classical composers. The Prunes did take a psychedelic slant to it for sure but there are some very progressive leanings to it. Kyrie Eleison was used in the movie Easy Rider. I am not saying this is the definitive record but it is another example of the period of experimentation that ultimately concluded and died with prog.
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 10:59 |
It was Beethovens Late String Quartets 
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 10:02 |
And where did they get that name? Wowie Zowie? 
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 08:50 |
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I don't effing know what effing album was the effing first effing prog album! (I was only 7 or 8 years old!) -- I leave that to more "seasoned" & informed souls, like Maani "the Word" Alterman, Dick "I was there" Heath, and Queasy "I'm Scottish" Liver. |
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And if I wasn't, I know a man who knows a man........................................
But sticking to prog as it is recognised by reasonable people now and at the considerable risk of repeating myself:
By accident rather than intent, Moody Blues Days Of Future Past
(which started life as studio orchestra with a has-been pop group, with Go Now being their only major hit some years before).
And when it comes ot real ball grabbing innovation, it is a toss up between Krimson's ICOTCK or Renaissance's first album - both issued by Island Records about the same time - but I can't remember which of the two was released first in the UK - and the straight media then made more fuss over Keith Ralf and co. However, the American band Touch ( see my logo - ' cousin twice removed' to the Kingsmen, of Louis Louis fame ) album was released in the same year (late 1969 in the UK, and possibly 6 months earlier in the USA, which has it predating KC or Renaissance). And then it is argued by some Americans that you shouldn't ignore The United States Of America. Some would argue USA were employing musical ideas in rock similar to Zappa and the Mothers, but FZ & TMOI then were considered an experimental and very interesting American underground band, and rather like Velvet Underground, an anetdote to hippydom - taking FZ & TMOI on board as prog rock has been done with hindsight (the do-wop acapella, and pseudo-pop tunes won't have immediately flagged them up as prog). Soft Machine and the early Floyd were psychedelia for tuning in and dropping out upon. Soft Machine's Volume 2 was their first proper prog album and even then they were only passing through straighter prog and heading for jazz rock sub-division.
However, in the late 60's we talk and wrote about 'progressive music' which was symonymous with 'underground music'. For clues check out Decca Record's late 60's sampler release: Wowie Zowie: The World Of Progressive Music which included tracks by the Moodys, Genesis, Savoy Brown, John Mayall, Touch, etc. and the same label's 2002 release Legend Of A Mind , which is sold as 3 CD sampler of 'underground music' 1967 to 1975, with most the Wowie Zowie musicians reappearing. By the way I most strongly recommend Legend of A Mind as a Christmas stocking filler for yourselves.
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 07:36 |
Certif1ed wrote:
I didn't make this a poll, as someone is bound to think of something that I didn't put on the list - and anyway, the purpose of this thread is to try to collect some data surrounding the birth of prog (Oooh! a thread on a mission!) - specifically, the first prog album.
I'm going to go with the obvious choice, because I can't think of anything earlier which I would consider a bona fide prog album (but then I've been flat on my back with a mad dose of the flu for the past 3 days or so, hence the old braincell isn't clicking away as it normally does);
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Posted: November 29 2004 at 06:47 |
OK it is not the first one but quiet early
Wendy Carlos :switched on bach 1968,
I think she was the first to use the Moog and one of the pioneers of keyboarding.
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Posted: November 28 2004 at 22:19 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
I don't effing know what effing album was the effing first effing prog album! (I was only 7 or 8 years old!) -- I leave that to more "seasoned" & informed souls, like Maani "the Word" Alterman, Dick "I was there" Heath, and Queasy "I'm Scottish" Liver. |
That was meant respectfully, BTW. Those guys are better qualified than I to wrestle with such an issue (and each is more of a true gentleman that I besides...)
OK Reed, you can say something sarcastic and homophobic about "mutual masturbation" now, if you must...
I even like you... kind of!
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Posted: November 28 2004 at 16:22 |
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The Nice 'Ars Longa Vita Brevis'-1968.Keith Emerson,Lee Jackson,Brian Davison and Davy O'List were doing prog before Fripp and his chums. |
Rich I agree with you. I have said the same thing on previous threads. The Nice WERE the first prog band.
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Posted: November 28 2004 at 09:02 |
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 13:34 |
also pink floyd were one of the first rock bands to start playing extended psychadelic pieces. get live 66 ep (it is the same as tonite lets all make love in london i think) and it has a 16 minute version of interstellar overdrive before piper was released.
also maybe prog originally derived from classical music eg beethoven etc?
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 13:32 |
"A Quick One, While He's Away" (1966) by the who is meant to be one of the first ever prog songs. its a 9 minute suite.
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 10:54 |
 ^ Good man, Cert! I was a little worried you'd be "put out" by all the shenanigans.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 10:53 |
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Well, I know there were albums released before this that can be considered progressive, and I also know that many don't consider this to be prog, but I'd have to say Zeppelin 1.
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 09:50 |
Heh! I'm glad this is a popular discussion area, with a good mix of sensible suggestions, silly arguments and protracted discussions at odd tangents...
Business as normal, then
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 04:27 |
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Also on a psych/prog angle
Red Krayola - Red Krayola
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 03:31 |
Joren wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
Yep Cert: ITCOTCK
All others need not apply.
Case closed.
Move along now!
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How hard is it? Case closed? How many times do I have to say it? 
FREAK OUT!
It's the oldest album listed in the Archives. It's the first album by the genius Frank Zappa. It's the first album to combine rock with avant-garde. The songs may not all be progressive, but the record as a whole IS.
Case closed! 
(hey, I'm serious)  
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