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Poll Question: What Bands Are Not Progrssive? Vote as many as you want
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    Posted: December 08 2006 at 22:07
Ok... my work is done... I took care of DT losing this poll.... and I'll do it again (if we have the chance to vite 30 times, why not?)
 
Please administrator, this poll is just a waste of bandwidth, there are other useless polls (I myself have started quite a few) but at least you could vote only ONCE... here I by myself put Radiohead in the first place... please.
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RADIOHEAD IS LESS PROG

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Quote These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic.


You don't understand Porcupine Tree at all.

Steve Wilson has never had to try to sound like any other band. I can honestly say that of all the big-time individual producers, Steve Wilson is one of the most diverse and organized of all. I put him up there with Todd Rundgren, Trent Reznor, and Alan Parsons. When The Sky Moves Sideways came out, it was revolutionary; there had never been a band that mixed moody and atmospheric tones with metal riffs backed by calming ambience. The entire point of PT is that it's 'soft meta' (if that makes sense).

Each album has a theme that is carried; one is about innocence stolen from youth, one is the loss of a loved one, one is about being apathetic toward life, one is about the coming of age and the classic maturity factor that everybody pretends they've always had...

And the sounds are very diverse; comparing Coma Divine to In Absentia to Lightbulb Sun to Deadwing is nearly impossible, save the fact that they've got the common British modalities and all carry with them some sort of sense of innocence.
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Originally posted by Tenth Chaffinch Tenth Chaffinch wrote:

I think Mars Volta is progressive for Emo music, but there's nothing progressive about Queen.
 
I surely agree with you....I can't understand who voted Dream Theater accusing them to be not progressive....I personally consider these statements as bullsh*t....
 
Anyway I'm a great Queen fan, but they're not progressive....I mean they also recorded tracks such as Innuendo or Who Wants To Live Forever which could be considered as prog....but they're not a progressive band...
 
I don't find prog Radiohead.
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Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Still, there are people that seem to think that "Scream Bloody Gore" by Death is a masterpiece of Prog, so that probably says a lot [IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align=middle>

 

Wait, weren't you all that far from being one of these people?

 

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My review even states quite clearly that - and I quote - "it's not Prog at all".

I'm not sure how you deduced from that that I nearly called it a masterpiece of Prog.

Maybe I should have typed it in capitals or something?


    
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WHY THE HELL ARE SPOCK'S BEARD IN THERE???

Anyway my vote goes to QUEEN!

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Originally posted by DeepPhreeze DeepPhreeze wrote:


TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it,
 
Um... why would it take balls to criticise a band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 11:23
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.
It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich!      [IMG]smileys/smiley17.gif" align=middle>

 

But no one would experiment with  a pickle and peanut butter on bread. Some things just aren't experimental but just reaching


Don't say that - I've seen people eat worse combinations.
     
 
 
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Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.
It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich!      [IMG]smileys/smiley17.gif" align=middle>

 

But no one would experiment with  a pickle and peanut butter on bread. Some things just aren't experimental but just reaching


Don't say that - I've seen people eat worse combinations.
     
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Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

I thinks Bands like - Glass Hammer, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree - These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic
 I understand your point but I wouldn't put Porcupine Tree in the same category as say Spocks Beard. PT are far superior, although some of their recent material is more "mainstream".
TMV & Radiohead - in my Opinion they just Piece together noises and effects and call it progressive and the effects make no sense to the music or story line.  An example of a good effect is when Geddy Lee sings Lenses Polarize and polarizing sound follows immediately. There music sounds complicated, but when you throw effects, melodys, tempo changes and stops together on a whim it's becomes chaotic more than complicated. So you are just mistaking Complicated for chaotic. Radiohead have some great tunes - actually so do TMV amidst all the "noise".
 
ps of the list, I voted Queen and The Who - some may make an intelectual argument for them being classed as prog, but my instinct - right or wrong - says they are not!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 11:00
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.


It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich! 
     
 
But no one would experiment with  a pickle and peanut butter on bread. Some things just aren't experimental but just reaching


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Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.


It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich!
     
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I thinks Bands like - Glass Hammer, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree - These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic
 
TMV & Radiohead - in my Opinion they just Piece together noises and effects and call it progressive and the effects make no sense to the music or story line.  An example of a good effect is when Geddy Lee sings Lenses Polarize and polarizing sound follows immediately. Their music sounds complicated, but when you throw effects, melodys, tempo changes and stops together on a whim it's becomes chaotic more than complicated. So you are just mistaking Complicated for chaotic.
 
TD - and other metal bands are just Heavy Metal not progressive at all. Just because they right long songs and change tempo doesn't mean they are progressive. You must be unique and different. Metal bands just aren't (i do like like heavy metal bands they are just not progressive to me)
 
One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.


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It's one giant jam session.
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Originally posted by DeepPhreeze DeepPhreeze wrote:

Quote They are pushing music further IMO


Yeah, definitely (SARCASM!).

Every song sounds like Genesis's The Waiting Room from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're trying to replicate.

TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it, but it's nothing but whiney emo pap. TMV gets is b*lls licked while amazing bands like Porcupine Tree and Primus get sh*t on. Frankly I'm sick of it.

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I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?

There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.

Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!


Here's why The Mars Volta are prog. Hope you don't mind, The Miracle. Embarrassed



  • Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis' "Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the 60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and "Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.
Cassandra Geminni. Nuff said.
  • Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands (especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing politics and social issues.
They cover love revenge, life after death and fantasy(a person going through a coma is the concept of De-loused)
  • Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play. In the days of vinyl, these were usually two-record sets with strikingly designed gatefold sleeves. Famous examples include The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes, 2112 by Rush, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall by Pink Floyd, and the more recent Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater and Snow by Spock's Beard. Aqualung, perhaps the best-known record by Jethro Tull, is often regarded as a concept album due to its recurring themes, but songwriter Ian Anderson has always claimed that the album is just "a bunch of songs".
Both of their albums have obscure and deep concepts about love, hate, revenge, etc......
  • Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.
Mirenda, Cassandra Geminni, L'via, and much more........
  • Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer, in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and drums.
Great keyboard work, especially on FTM.
  • Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Many pieces use multiple time signatures and/or tempi, sometimes concurrently. Solo passages for virtually every instrument, designed to showcase the virtuosity of the player. This is the sort of thing that contributed to the fame of such performers as keyboardist Rick Wakeman and drummer Neil Peart.
All the time. Read my review for comments on their incredible musicianship
  • Inclusion of classical pieces on albums. For example, Yes start their concerts with a taped extract of Stravinsky's Firebird suite, and Emerson Lake and Palmer have performed arrangements of pieces by Copland, Bartók, Moussorgsky, Prokofiev, Janacek, Alberto Ginastera, and often feature quotes from J. S. Bach in lead breaks. Jethro Tull recorded a famous cover of J. S. Bach's "Bouree", in which they turned the classical piece into a "sleazy jazzy night-club song", according to Ian Anderson. Marillion started concerts with Rossini's La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie). Symphony X has included parts by, or inspired by, Beethoven, Holst and Mozart
Well, no, but neither did Genesis, Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd.
  • An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the prog heyday. Some bands became as well-known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean, whose paintings and logo design for Yes are so essential to the band's identity they could be said to serve the same function as corporate branding. Hipgnosis became equally famous for their unusual sleeves for Pink Floyd, often featuring experimental photography quite innovative for the time (two men shaking hands, one of whom is in flames, on the cover of Wish You Were Here). H.R. Giger's painting for Emerson Lake and Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery is one of the most famous album sleeves ever produced.
Their sleeves are masterpieces by Storm
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Do moderators have chance (or authority) to notice and declare who (s) voted for DT? It would be entertaining to know LOL
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Originally posted by AtLossForWords AtLossForWords wrote:

Well this poll shows the character of some of our posters here.  Anyone who thinks Dream Theater, Glass Hammer, or Spock's Beard are not progressive should really reevaluate what they think progressive music is. 

If Dream Thetaer isn't progressive, why don't we get rid of every progressive metal band on this site?

Best idea I've heard in ages!! LOL

If the Who isn't progressive why don't we elimiate the Proto Prog categories?  Well that may be a good idea.



Oh dear, Queen ain't winning this yet - better slip a few more votes on .... oops, what a giveaway LOL


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Originally posted by Xenoxen Xenoxen wrote:

I think?

 
No, you don't. 
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Originally posted by DeepPhreeze DeepPhreeze wrote:

Quote They are pushing music further IMO


Yeah, definitely (SARCASM!).

Every song sounds like Genesis's The Waiting Room from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're trying to replicate.

TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it, but it's nothing but whiney emo pap. TMV gets is b*lls licked while amazing bands like Porcupine Tree and Primus get sh*t on. Frankly I'm sick of it.

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I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?

There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.

Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!

 
 
I think you're understanding bad what 'progressive' means, and you don't need to insult other's opinion when you're giving a different one. IMO TMV is the most progressive band playing around, i don't agree with you at all, (see, i disagree but do not insult you or your thoughts). I think that in every point TMV is far far far better than Porcupine Tree, but that doesn't mean you're wrong if you preffer PT, at all.
 
What i don't understand is your 'progresive' definition, how can you say that TMV isn't prog and then say that PT is prog, really, i wonder, please explain.
 
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