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mrgd
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Topic: I don't like Gentle Giant Posted: May 03 2006 at 00:38 |
SO what was the point of the post? [It's a rhetorical question only-- not seeking a response. You've said it all].
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 18:30 |
Certif1ed wrote:
GG are probably the finest of all the Prog bands in terms of musicianship, songwriting and innovation.
If you don't like them, don't worry.
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Oh, I'm not at all worried about not liking them - it seems it's the Gentle Giant fans who do the worrying here.
I mean, why the 6 pages of (mainly) rebuttals? I was perfectly aware of the popularity GG enjoys on this site and I was specifically asking for opinions similar to mine only, to check just how outnumbered I was. The 5 or 6 responses I should have got would be proof enough for my being in the minority - not that I needed that proof in the first place.
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:30 |
Visitor13, my fellow countryman, how deeply wrong you are...
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:26 |
Gentle Giant, Van der Graff Generator, Rush and Magma will always be a mixed bag. Some think they found something new, unique and special(kinda like being a Trekkie). Some will think that they mostly created a bunch of crap and some good music. I tend to fall towards the bunch of crap crowd! GG did have some excellent musicians but they never quite got rid of the complexities which the music style didnt support and were not able to turn their ideas into shear power which they touched on with Octopus and Free Hand.
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:09 |
GG are probably the finest of all the Prog bands in terms of musicianship, songwriting and innovation.
If you don't like them, don't worry - some people don't like Beethoven.
You don't have to like music of a high quality if you don't want to.
That's why we have opinions...
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 05:36 |
I'm in GG music since 1973. First album I heard was "three friends". I was overwhelmed. I liked it for it's strange sounds and atmospheres (the fine voices, the reverb of the voices, the reverb on the piano, the three dimensional rooms they created) and for their power and rythmic punctuations (mighty sax and guitar work). - I went back to the earlier albums, found them pretty pleasing. Went with the new albums till "Free hand". Then I lost a bit interest because they became maniacs of their style.
Today I feel that they have done good pieces of music. The only album I like as a whole is still "Three friends". There is IMHO no bad track on it. On the other albums are now and then queer songs to digest. But also wonderful songs to admire.
So I would say that GG is one of the most innovatory groups of the prog rock era. When I listen to some SPOCKS BEARD songs using the GG vocal style I have to laugh. This is not bad music, but it is a quote. They think perhaps it is artistic to do so. Not to blame. But ...
I don't want to miss any other group I like. And GG definitely belongs to that circle. Everyone who doesn't try to catch their music (or parts of it) is depriving himself of marvelous moments of musical atmospheres.
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 04:41 |
wooty wrote:
Odd24 wrote:
[QUOTE=Visitor13]
Does anyone else agree with me?
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Hey! Hey! Hey! Whoa! Let's not go that far! This is turning into a forum attacking some of my favorite music (again![Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) ![Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) ) Bitches Brew is Sacred and Holy to me . How about we just attack Spock's Beard?![Smile](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 23:10 |
I've never associated GG with Morris dancing or Shakespearean inspired ditties, but if that's how some people see them, I'm glad I don't wear the same kind of spectacles. [perhaps I'm like the hare and I've lost mine].......VdGG , I second that emotion!
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 21:50 |
mystic fred wrote:
i am not a gentle giant fan, VDGG or anything canterbury for that matter, i find it all rather twee, medieval and hey nonny no or whatever you may call it but it takes all sorts to make a world. i respect other members musical tastes and i don't believe in calling any music rubbish. |
my friend calls it "Oompa Loompa" music... ahhahaa. mostly because of Knots. i like the "hey nonny no" hahah
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 20:10 |
The instrumental section in Peel The Paint is kind of long, but the whole song with vocals is only like 7:30.
And as for boring and uninspired, is that supposed to be some sort of joke? The vocals are light and fun and quirky, and they're songs are abound with vibrance and feeling. So no, Visitor 13, I strongly disagree with you on all points, and I find Spock's Beard to be boring to boot
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 04:44 |
Visitor13 wrote:
They're excellent instrumentalists, but rarely write a decent tune. They're boring and lack inspiration. Their vocals are cheesy - I'd be able to cope with them if the songs were excellent, but they're not.
I'm aware that they are one of the most compositionally and instrumentally advanced bands in the archives. Well, it counts for nothing if you can't infuse your musical knowledge and capabilities with life. And GG rarely could bring a vibrant energy to their compositions, IMO. The impressive level of sophistication these compositions achieve doesn't make up for it. A shame really, since the concept behind the music is wonderful - only the execution is half of what it should be.
On the whole, I like Spock's Beard more. They're not as complex and much more poppy. And maybe this is why I find them better - because they're simpler they're more catchy. And they stay catchy, as well, while Gentle Giant stay average. A case of less is more.
Does anyone else agree with me?
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GG vocals are definately an aquired taste! Did they ever do any long instrumentals?
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 16:35 |
mystic fred wrote:
i am not a gentle giant fan, VDGG or anything
canterbury for that matter, i find it all rather twee, medieval and hey
nonny no or whatever you may call it but it takes all
sorts to make a world. i respect other members musical tastes and i
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VDGG is too twee for me (if it were fun in a twee way I could more
easily accept it). While I do think Gentle Giant has the
qualities you mentioned (all part of the charm and fun for me), I
appreciate the band's ballsiness.
Maybe you need to get in touch with your effeminate side to appreciate their Giant balls -- and they sure can rock.
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 16:08 |
I thought Ghost Rider was about a cyclist.
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 15:39 |
i am not a gentle giant fan, VDGG or anything canterbury for that matter, i find it all rather twee, medieval and hey nonny no or whatever you may call it but it takes all sorts to make a world. i respect other members musical tastes and i don't believe in calling any music rubbish.
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 15:14 |
zeld4 wrote:
...My favorite CD would have to be Octopus, although i'm
torn between Octopus/Acquiring the Taste/Free Hand. I'm a pretty recent
GG fan but I'm in love :D
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wasnt really an acquired taste for me though, I, with in days, fell in
love with Free Hand. Then a few days later fell in love with AtT. Soon
after i swooned over Octopus. I actually would really like to hear the
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I couldn't choose a favourite album, I love their first eight
albums. I acquired the taste very quickly just a few months ago
with Free Hand too, then Acquiring the Taste, then Octopus, then In a
Glass House, then Three Friends, then the first album, then The Power
and The Glory, then Interview.
They are, at this time, my favourite band.
I suppose that if I had to choose just five albums it would be In a
Glass House, Octopus, Acquiring the Taste, Free Hand, and Three Friends.
I'm not that keen on The Missing Piece, Giant for a Day, or Civilian (though there are some individual songs I like).
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 18:24 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
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GG are definitely an acquired taste, and not for everyone or all occasions. It's strong, heady, weird, wonderful "pungent," stuff! I wouldn't do a marathon listening session either! Much like the case of VDGG, GG's over-the-top music and vocals tend to polarize prog fans into love/hate factions. Perhaps the fact that I've never met a female GG (or VDGG) fan says something.... (I know they exist, though -- there are a few of them here.) ![Ermm](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
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There's another one (female, I mean) - I love GG, they're so unique. Even though it's not an easy listen by any means, a track like "Knots" is pure genius. They're really original and creative.
It's a pity we live in different continents, though - as things are, we're quite unlikely to meet very soon (though I'd love to visit Canada some day). ![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif) |
Heres another female that enjoys GG **And VDGG**. My favorite CD would have to be Octopus, although i'm torn between Octopus/Acquiring the Taste/Free Hand. I'm a pretty recent GG fan but I'm in love :D It wasnt really an acquired taste for me though, I, with in days, fell in love with Free Hand. Then a few days later fell in love with AtT. Soon after i swooned over Octopus. I actually would really like to hear the rest of their discography. Either way, I'm a female and i love GG/VDGG :D.
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 10:28 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Well, I like your forum name, Ghost Rider -- I know it comes from a Rush song (and a good one), but that song is based on Peart's fondness for motorcycles (and, of course, grieving over the tragic losses of his wife and daughter ![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif) -- motorcycling helps the man cope), which is a love that I share. Did you know that when Geddy and Alex are on the jet (or bus) going from concert to concert, Peart often travels there via bike?
(^ Neil rides a massive dual-purpose BMW GS1200. Cool!)
Anyway, it's nice to finally "meet" a female GG fan -- but 'tis too bad that you are thousands of miles away, and -- more to the point -- that I am very happily married! ![Ermm](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
Perhaps in the next life...? ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Sunny here today -- great biking weather! ![Big smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) Take care, prog fans: keep it between the ditches -- rubber side down! ![Stern Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif)
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You're perfectly right, Peter - "Ghost Rider" is a great song and a very moving story, a case of triumph over adversity. By the way, I know about Neil's love of motorcycling and his habit of following the band's bus with his bike (which is cool, I agree, though I'm no biker myself).
However, I was not trying to chat you up ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) ! I'm a good girl (your same age, incidentally) and would never do that with a happily married man! ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Oh, and I love the way you correct people's grammar and spelling... I was a language teacher myself for quite a number of years, so I understand the feeling. ![Tongue](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Back IT... It's a real pity there aren't more women into prog, which I find rather strange if you think that there are quite a few women into classical music. As to GG, though their music is undeniably complex, it also contains quite a lot of melody, more - for instance - than much of King Crimson's production. The multilayered vocal parts are quite harmonious and pleasing to the ear, and their incorporation of Renaissance and medieval music into their sound is very intriguing.
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 09:49 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
GG are definitely an acquired taste, and not for everyone or all occasions. It's strong, heady, weird, wonderful "pungent," stuff! I wouldn't do a marathon listening session either! Much like the case of VDGG, GG's over-the-top music and vocals tend to polarize prog fans into love/hate factions. Perhaps the fact that I've never met a female GG (or VDGG) fan says something.... (I know they exist, though -- there are a few of them here.) ![Ermm](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
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There's another one (female, I mean) - I love GG, they're so unique. Even though it's not an easy listen by any means, a track like "Knots" is pure genius. They're really original and creative.
It's a pity we live in different continents, though - as things are, we're quite unlikely to meet very soon (though I'd love to visit Canada some day). ![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif) |
Well, I like your forum name, Ghost Rider -- I know it comes from a Rush song (and a good one), but that song is based on Peart's fondness for motorcycles (and, of course, grieving over the tragic losses of his wife and daughter ![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif) -- motorcycling helps the man cope), which is a love that I share. Did you know that when Geddy and Alex are on the jet (or bus) going from concert to concert, Peart often travels there via bike?
(^ Neil rides a massive dual-purpose BMW GS1200. Cool!)
Anyway, it's nice to finally "meet" a female GG fan -- but 'tis too bad that you are thousands of miles away, and -- more to the point -- that I am very happily married! ![Ermm](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
Perhaps in the next life...? ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Sunny here today -- great biking weather! ![Big smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) Take care, prog fans: keep it between the ditches -- rubber side down! ![Stern Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif)
Vroom vroom! ![Cool](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif)
Edited by Peter Rideout - April 28 2006 at 09:50
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 06:41 |
I always like it when people show dislike to things that I appreciate because it shows to me that my taste is sooooo much above others'...
Seriously, I've never had any problems with Gentle Giant, who are my all-time favourite band, to me there is no other band that would come anywhere near them in any comparison. Well, maybe they are a bit too easy to me sometimes, but in the whole they were the most complete progressive rock band between Gentle Giant and Interview.
I wouldn't even compare Gentle Giant with other prog acts, but rather with people like Gesualdo or early Stravinsky, who were so much ahead of everything around them that it will always be impossible for a lot of people to acquire the taste (sic!).
If you look for pop ballads or simple rock, then it's okay not to like them and I've got no problem with that.
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 06:02 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
GG are definitely an acquired taste, and not for everyone or all occasions. It's strong, heady, weird, wonderful "pungent," stuff! I wouldn't do a marathon listening session either! Much like the case of VDGG, GG's over-the-top music and vocals tend to polarize prog fans into love/hate factions. Perhaps the fact that I've never met a female GG (or VDGG) fan says something.... (I know they exist, though -- there are a few of them here.) ![Ermm](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
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There's another one (female, I mean) - I love GG, they're so unique. Even though it's not an easy listen by any means, a track like "Knots" is pure genius. They're really original and creative.
It's a pity we live in different continents, though - as things are, we're quite unlikely to meet very soon (though I'd love to visit Canada some day). ![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
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