Early hard rock...and prog

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 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Guitar garden wrote: 

This is a great site, but I'm seeing a lack of historical dues being
paid to early heavy-rock bands that strayed into prog from time to
time. Cream was a psychedelic band, but various tracks on "Disraeli
Gears" could be placed in the proto-prog category, such as "We're Going
Wrong." Certainly, lots of early prog guitarists, like Fripp,
Gilmour and Hackett, listened to Clapton (ESPECIALLY Gilmour). 
I believe already we have many hard
rock bands related to Prog, with Deep Purple (Not Prog) and Uriah
Heep (really prog), I'm sure Led Zeppelin will join sooner or later and
Mountain is in the waiting list (This last one is going way too far if
you ask me).

Deep Purple not prog?.... Bah!!!!

This is a Prog site, not an almost Prog;  whatever came before Prog or what Proggers heard when young.

Amen Brother!!!!

Clapton was not Prog, is not Prog',
and never will have any remote relation with Prog, he's a
Rock/Blues/POP musician (At least he recieved a couple of Grammys for
best Pop performance).

Lots of prog musicians listened Eric Clapton.........And what?

Lots of Prog musicians 
listened Chuck, Berry, Little Richard, Elvis Presley, The Rolling
Stones, Herman Hermits, and that's not enough reason to include none of
the above mentioned musicians, despite how much they did for Rock.

Everybody wants to add the band they
love, please Prog is not an award, you're a Prog musician or
you're not a Prog musician, you don't win a Prog award, you play prog
music.

Hallelujah Brother!!!

There's also the track "Theme from an Imaginary Western," written
by Jack Bruce and later cover by Mountain, who did a VERY proggy
version with lots of atmospheric Hammond work from Felix Pappalardi.
This is absolutely a progressive-rock track.

Mountain is one of my favorite
bands, and of course they played  Cream's  music and
sounded like them, being that Felix Pappalardi was Cream's
producer, but they have as much relation with Prog as ZZ Top or Lynyrd
Skynyrd (Who claimed that Cream was their main influence).

BTW: If I'm not wrong, Pappalardi
never played the Hammond on "Theme from an Imaginary Western", this
song is from the album Climbing! where  STEVE KNIGHT played the Organ and Mellotron, while Felix Pappalardi played Bass, rhythm guitar and a few piano sections.
Also Kansas--"Song for America" and many of their other tracks from 1973 onward.
Kansas is a Symphonic band (Just
added from Art Rock to symphonic by our team, due to their main
structure) If you use the search function, you will find at least 10 or
20 Kansas threads.

Also, various tracks from Utopia: Believe Utopia is here, not sure though and can't reach the main page from this PC I don't know why.

Styx:

 STYX is in Prog related in
this site, BTW I wrote their bio, despite they turned into an AOR band
after a light proggy beginning.

Led Zeppelin: "Gallows Pole," "Battle of Evermore," "Stairway," "Kashmir" and "Achilles Last Stand" come to mind.

 Led Zeppelin will be added
sooner or later probably in Proto Prog or Prog Related, and I
agree they deserve to, my only problem is that they will be added to a
Sub Genre that is a synonim of light Prog and they are already icons of
Hard Rock and early Metal.

hmm.... interesting.. Zeppelin-Yes... and a No to
Deep Purple.  Don't see the reasoning behind that.  How does
adding some prog elements make a band prog related.... they are icons
of Hard Rock and early Metal... because they were... they were not prog
related.  I don't see any of the artistic leanings and
inclanations that other prog groups.. including early Deep Purple had,
not to mention many that are listed under prog-related had as well.
Zeppelin did use some prog elements.... so have MANY groups... are we
to include them as well.  Hmmm.... I may go down with the ship
hahahahh but I guess I'm STRONGLY against their inclusion.

Thoughts?
What else do you ask? Cream? No way, they not remotely Prog.

Mountain? A bit closer, they
are in the waiting list for months and probably will never be added (I
hope). Not every Hard Rock  band that used a Hammond and/or
Mellotron is Prog.

my point....exactly from above... prog elements
do not make it prog.. and don't even make it prog-related in my book...
for what it's worth of course hahahahh and will add the Cream and
Zeppelin are very closely related.... blues orientated rock with a love
of extended instrumental exhibitions.. a no for one... is probably a no
for the other. 

Iván

Micky