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HaroldTheBarrel 
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 Topic: An appropriate introduction.......
Posted: November 27 2004 at 11:28 |
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Well, I started with Genesis' "A Trick of the Tail", although I knew a reasonable amount of Zep and Floyd and others before that... so, I suppose I'm not really sure...
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Listen:
Your friends have been broken. They've told us of your poison.
Now we k now.
KILL THEM!
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: November 27 2004 at 00:11 |
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TD would be a great intro if the person is into electronica
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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DallasBryan
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Posted: November 26 2004 at 21:47 |
The Tangerine Dream connection, eh? How
do Jolliffe & Schmoelling compare to TD?
you decide guess everything in red cabbageland
roots back to the 1967 band - with Froese, Schnitzler
and Schulze
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DallasBryan
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Posted: November 26 2004 at 19:16 |
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Michael Shrieve was Santanas drummer and
became famous for his solo at Woodstock. He left
Santana and spent alot of time in Germany showing
up on several collaborations with Klaus Schulze.
Abraxas Pool cut in the late 90s brought together
Santanas original band from Abraxas less Carlos.
its a great album for Santana and Journey fans as
Greg Rolie is the vocalist and for bringing back one
of the three most influencal drummers in rock n roll -
Michael Shrieve. His name also appears with a
hindu title occasionally, think he was the drummer
on Carlos Santana/John McLaughlin release in the
later 70s.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: November 26 2004 at 18:34 |
 Jim Garten wrote:
OK, here's your challenge -
You have to introduce someone to progressive rock; which track do you choose?
I'm not looking for a track to encapsulate the 'spirit' of prog, or to sum up what progressive rock means - we've done that (many times) before - what I'm looking for here is a track which will not automatically alienate a new listener, but make his or her ears prick up, and maybe prompt further exploration.
And no, I've not got an example yet - hell, I've only just thought of this idea - don't expect me to see it through to the end..... |
Is this some sort of test. Are youvtring to kill us or do you want information.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: November 26 2004 at 18:32 |
XANADU
No explanation necessary......
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: November 26 2004 at 18:30 |
Jim Garten wrote:
OK, here's your challenge -
You have to introduce someone to progressive rock; which track do you choose?
I'm not looking for a track to encapsulate the 'spirit' of prog, or to sum up what progressive rock means - we've done that (many times) before - what I'm looking for here is a track which will not automatically alienate a new listener, but make his or her ears prick up, and maybe prompt further exploration.
And no, I've not got an example yet - hell, I've only just thought of this idea - don't expect me to see it through to the end..... |
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: November 24 2004 at 11:31 |
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I think you need to appeal to the person's current tastes in getting
him or her into prog rock. Does this person like jazz? Try late 60s
Miles Davis, Return to Forever, Mahavishnu, Soft Machine. Good ol' hard
rock? Try early Yes, Genesis, or Rush. Heavy metal? Opeth.... etc. etc.
etc., you see where I'm coming from.
Assuming you have no idea what this person currently likes, I would put
in my vote for anything from Fragile or CTTP. I have a friend who was
over the other day doing a school project with me who likes RHCP and
newer indy rock stuff, and I was playing Fragile and he really liked
the music.
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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zappa123
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Posted: November 24 2004 at 10:39 |
Maybe King Crimsons Epitaph , I talk to the wind or Cadence and cascade.
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penguindf12
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Posted: November 24 2004 at 00:29 |
"Fragile" by Yes for bassists and just about anybody who likes rock. The entire album "Dark Side of the Moon" for potheads or psychadelic rockers. "Lightbulb Sun" by Porcupine Tree for alternative/mainstreamers. Dream Theater for metalheads. Opeth or Tool for death metalheads or nu metalheads. Rush for hard rockers and nerds alike (or nerds trying to improve their reputation by becoming hard rockers  ). ELP for classical music fanatics ("pictures at an exhibition"). Van Der Graaf Generator for...mental patients? Camel for classic rock buffs. Genesis for 80s pop fans (hey, you like Genesis? listen to this, it's them earlier on...)
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Peter
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Posted: November 23 2004 at 23:27 |
DallasBryan wrote:
you got guts?
try something off
Steve Jolliffe - Zanzi
or Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit
or Michael Shrieve - The Big Picture |
Welcome onboard, Bryan!
The Tangerine Dream connection, eh? How do Jolliffe & Schmoelling compare to TD?
Wasn't Shrieve involved with "Go," as isn't there a Can connection too?
Sounds interesting to this old TD freak....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: November 23 2004 at 23:11 |
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you got guts?
try something off
Steve Jolliffe - Zanzi
or Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit
or Michael Shrieve - The Big Picture
Vangelis' Pulstar is an interesting song
with vocals?
Todd Rundgrens' Hammer in my Heart or Jealosy
Gary Wrights' I Cant Find the Judge
Focus' Hocus Pocus
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gdub411
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Posted: November 23 2004 at 22:31 |
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Look here Useful Idiot...this post was on page 2 which indicates it is still relatively new.
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Peter
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Posted: November 22 2004 at 11:54 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: November 22 2004 at 08:06 |
Nerevar wrote:
I don't really agree with the way a lot of you want to introduce people to prog. It shouldn't be about showing the recipient the most accessible prog tracks, to see if he/she likes it. Those tracks doesn't really stimulate the person the right way at all. If you wanted someone to like Haggis, the first step wouldn't be serving them lamb chops. Those of our fellow brethren only waiting to be converted to prog rockers, should be shown prog for what it really is, not for the easily digestable exceptions, which most people are bound to like anyways. My introduction to prog was simply a friend of mine playing some ELP, and I was just baffled by the complexity and ingenuity of the music and just wanted to know where I could get hold of some more. I belive some people, which have been malnutritioned by poppy, predictable music, will show a genuine interest for complex music, if presented to it the right way. It should be unnecessary to recruit under false pretences and provide the smoothest ride possible. Back in the days, they used to baptize new seamen by throwing them off the boat, only attached to a line of rope, and pull them around for a while. A rather rocky start, but a real testimony to the hardship they would face later on. So, give people a real taste of prog pie with all of its magical flavors, and if they don't respond to it all... their loss. |
My thoughts exactly. Generally I play people Close to the Edge, as it was the track that got me into prog and I think is very indicative of the whole progressive mindset. Beauty, majesty and complexity. Rock, Folk, Jazz and Classical elements. Fantastic musicianship and some brilliant solos. If that doesn't appeal to them then in all honesty prog ain't gonna be their thing. You could play any pop fan Lucky Man or a Genesis ballad and they'd be pefectly happy but it wouldn't be a gateway for them to real progressive music at all. As soon as things got that little bit too adventurous they'd still turn off, so why not just give them the real thing and see what happens? Out of the seven friends I've made to sit through CTTE for its entire 18 minutes, only one has enjoyed it, but since then I've been feeding him slowly on a diet of Yes, Caravan and Gentle Giant. It's starting to take effect. 
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Velvetclown
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Posted: November 22 2004 at 05:10 |
Rolling on the floor ????????
Ya PERVERT !!!!!!!!!!! 
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sigod
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Posted: November 22 2004 at 04:40 |
Roan's Lady wrote:
Hi there, what a great site, I just joined, and I
can see I have a lot of ground to cover. I will do it with pleasure!
I'd consider several songs/groups as a way to introduce someone to prog
- probably starting with the more accessible and those that made it to
the mainstream, such as Kansas' "Dust in the Wind", Tull's "Thick as a
Brick", Yes' "And You and I" or "All Good People", ELP's "Lucky Man",
etc. I'd want someone to get a feel for prog and also notice the
differences between it and straight-ahead rock...then I'd move onto
music that defines the genre more, especially from a historic
standpoint; I'm thinking some choice cuts from Genesis' "Selling
England by the Pound", and "Trick of the Tail", lessee, everything by
Yes from "The Yes Album" through "Going for the One", ( I'm a big, big
fan of Yes from this era ) ELP's
"Brain Salad Surgery", "Trilogy" Spock's Beard's "Beware of Darkness"
or "V" There's an album by Ambrosia called "Somewhere I've Never
Travelled", which is amazing prog, but not "out there" by any
means...lately I've been getting into a band from Sweden called Ritual
- same deal.
And that's just an intro!
Speaking of intros, hi, I'm Amy, aka Roan's Lady. My user name, for
those who may not know, is derived from the story of Roan in Yes' "Turn
of the Century", which is to me, one of the most beautiful and moving
pieces of music and poetry ever to be created.
I see some names I recognize from other places on the 'net, a nice
surprise! As is discovering this site, which looks to be a new addition
to my musical playground. Looking forward to lots of exploration here! 
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Hi Amy/Roan's Lady. Good suggestions and let me add my welcome to you.
I hope you like what you see and stick around for some of the more
'robust' conversations.  Lots of
interesting guys and girls here who are never short of an opinion or
two but are nearly always fun to hear from. There are a few of
individuals here (no names - reedlover, velvet clown, gdub, peter,
threefates, blacksword, james, etc, etc) who have had me rolling around
on the floor with laughter a few times. Clever and funny people.
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sigod
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Posted: November 22 2004 at 04:33 |
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I believe something from the Floyd would be appropriate, hmmm let me think...
Money is always a good 'un
And I hate to say it but 'Turn It On Again' by Genesis Actually, Duke is a good pop intoduction to prog all round.
...boy am I gonna get it in the neck for saying that!
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 22 2004 at 03:41 |
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Interesting idea Nerevar, and having given this quite a bit of thought (I really should get a life), I think I'd agree with Certif1ed on this one with Firth Of Fifth -
It has a fairly straightforward song structure, yet contains some of Gabriel's finest lyrics and one of his best vocal performances - on top of this, you have splendid solos by Banks and (especially) Hackett.
I think if this song were played to anyone with a liking of well played music, whatever that may mean to them, this would point them at Genesis for a second listen, and thence........... who knows?
Just not Pallas - OK?
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Nerevar
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Posted: November 21 2004 at 18:09 |
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I don't really agree with the way a lot of you want to introduce people to prog. It shouldn't be about showing the recipient the most accessible prog tracks, to see if he/she likes it. Those tracks doesn't really stimulate the person the right way at all. If you wanted someone to like Haggis, the first step wouldn't be serving them lamb chops. Those of our fellow brethren only waiting to be converted to prog rockers, should be shown prog for what it really is, not for the easily digestable exceptions, which most people are bound to like anyways. My introduction to prog was simply a friend of mine playing some ELP, and I was just baffled by the complexity and ingenuity of the music and just wanted to know where I could get hold of some more. I belive some people, which have been malnutritioned by poppy, predictable music, will show a genuine interest for complex music, if presented to it the right way. It should be unnecessary to recruit under false pretences and provide the smoothest ride possible. Back in the days, they used to baptize new seamen by throwing them off the boat, only attached to a line of rope, and pull them around for a while. A rather rocky start, but a real testimony to the hardship they would face later on. So, give people a real taste of prog pie with all of its magical flavors, and if they don't respond to it all... their loss.
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