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Syzygy 
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 18:48 |
That album is so bad that hi fis have been known to spontaneously combust rather than allow it to be played on them.
Deep Purple were responsible for some of the finest hard rock anthems of the early 70s, but that was a classical/rock crossover that set the whole concept of rock band plus orchestra back by about 50 years.
I'd have to concur with Sean Trane about Caravan and Procol Harum, though I'd add Renaissance's Scheherezade to the exccedingly short list of successful experiments in this area.
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to the already rich among us...'
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Olympus
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 02:25 |
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"Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day"
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Bilek
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 11:56 |
Seems I'm the first one to rate it a masterpiece...
Not only for the great music, but also for the very original idea (no one dare to do the "exact" thing before, Moody Blues album does not count, because the orchestra did not accompany the band...)
Hail Deep Purple!
and Jon Lord for this amazing work!
both versions are stunning, but for prog lovers I recommend the latter version with Steve Morse (I like his style better than Blackmore btw)
I insist DP is prog. Just listen to Fireball album carefully once!
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Zargus
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Posted: August 05 2005 at 06:20 |
Since i hate deep purple i am not intrested in hearing it, i yust hate thire sound, its the sound of an old man farting 
I will not say i hate everything they have done "Child in time" is amazing but as a whole i think they sucked and i have only heard thier classic period, not the later and probobly worse crap.
Thank god for Sabbath and Zeppelin 
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Posted: August 05 2005 at 04:47 |
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I don't like it. This very mix of group and orchestra was innatural and superfluous. The only excuse is a relatively early date of release - 1969 (or 1970 ?).
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 23:46 |
I know it doesn't change the quality of the music, but to those who complained about the rock band and orchestra confronting each other instead of complementing each other ... it was Lord's intention part of the way ... although you guys will obviously disagree with the "unexpected allies" description 
From the original liner notes by Jon Lord
"The problem of putting together two widely different fields of music, 'classical' and 'beat' music (to label but a few) has interested me for a long time. In fact, doing away with 'labels' altogether has interested me for a long time.
The idea is, then, simply to present, in the First Movement, the group and the orchestra as you would expect to hear them as antagonists, and in the Second and Third Movements, as unexpected allies."
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"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Maike
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 12:15 |
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4 Stars for me. As an orchestral piece Im more into Wagner or
Tchakovsky - Grandious Sound - Epic - Jon Lord didnt took this road and
things get a little mellow, but nice. As a group probably 3/5. Gillans
voice would be the cherry on top of the (not so sweet) cake.
Blackmore's solos tend to get boring. I prefer Morse's version.
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 07:16 |
 Sean Trane wrote:
live at Edmonton |
That is truly very good! Much better than Purple's set. 
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 04:13 |
Utter thrash. As much as I am a Purple fan! Utter trash
If you read the liner notes about the incident about the second-rate Beatles and Jon Lord crying after it , it is so very true. He always had this fantasy to perform in black tie and coat tail alongside his group. His solo career is ridiculous (bar the Sarabande album - quite good actually - and the LAP project). Bob talks about confrontation , I talk of open warfare where my ears and brains are civilian casualties> colateral damage according to W.
Lord, Emerson , Wakeman and Brooker all had this fantasy performing with an orchestra to show their parents they were worthy musicians , not pop artists!
The only two succesful experiments of those years were Procol Harum live at Edmonton(Brookerwas born for this stuff ) and to a lesser extent Caravan's New Symphonia (clearly under-rehearsed)
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 01:22 |
Velvetclown wrote:
With or without Steve Morse ?????????????? |
At least the classic version is without, never heard version with Steve. 
I think the DVD of this concert is fun, there's some funny looking people you can watch in the boring parts. The 2nd part is my favourite, the one where IAN GILLAN does some singing too.
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Posted: August 03 2005 at 23:12 |
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3 stars for me, poor Jon Lord had to cede control of the group to Blackmore after this one flopped ...
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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jiggajake
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Posted: November 08 2004 at 13:38 |
tuxon wrote:
It's actually a nice effort. But it's not really a cohesive piece, it's more an orchestra playing leftovertures by Rossinni or tsjaikovsky as background for some thrilling guitarplaying by Ritchie. The good parts are where ritchie appears with his squeeling guitar and some contributions of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover are alright. Overall it's a three and a half star album.
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I agree 100 percent, though i think , while it lacked in cohesiveness in most tracks, there are a few that stand out above the rest. If im not mistaken, which i certainly could be, this was one of Deep Purples earlier works, and i think the band (not necessarily with the orchestra) come together really well, especially withe richies guitar.
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tuxon
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Posted: November 08 2004 at 13:07 |
It's actually a nice effort. But it's not really a cohesive piece, it's more an orchestra playing leftovertures by Rossinni or tsjaikovsky as background for some thrilling guitarplaying by Ritchie. The good parts are where ritchie appears with his squeeling guitar and some contributions of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover are alright. Overall it's a three and a half star album.
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:17 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
It takes many years to learn how to write orchestral music - you need to understand each instrument. Only Andrew Lloyd Webber has come close to getting the combination of rock/orchestral music right.
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Cert is after control of my chrome-plated piss bucket!
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You have heard EVERYTHING Sir ALW has written????
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No but you are still taking the p*ss, "Shirty Certy"!
Oh, no I mean great generous donater of CD's that would otherwise be going to the Charity shop!
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:14 |
gdub411 wrote:
I've never heard it but I'll just go out on a limb and say it probably sucks! |
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:12 |
jiggajake wrote:
i really like this album, its nothing amazing but its interesting and somewhat original.
3.5 isnt an option so ill give it a four |
Nice got in first with 5 Bridges.
I have a pet theory that Emerson and Lord
(and others) were secretly taking tuition in keyboard and
composition at the higher grade music examinations , when they weren't
on the road or in the studio. Their end of year compositions for
orchestra were recycled for an album (or two or three). They didn't
want to get shown up by the likes of college boy Rick
Wakeman..................................  But did they get their grades in orchestral arrangment?
Edited by Dick Heath
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jiggajake
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 17:40 |
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i think pink floyd prettymuch hit the orchestra thing on the head, though i dont know the facts (whether or not it was floyd that wrote the orchestra music or if they were just playing together) but its simply an amazing song...atom heart mother
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 17:34 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
It takes many years to learn how to write orchestral music - you need to understand each instrument. Only Andrew Lloyd Webber has come close to getting the combination of rock/orchestral music right.
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Cert is after control of my chrome-plated piss bucket!
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You have heard EVERYTHING Sir ALW has written????
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:21 |
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I've never heard it but I'll just go out on a limb and say it probably sucks!
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:17 |
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