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    Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:34

Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

It's their fault more making awesome music. 

Huh?  Hardly!  The bands in question (IMO) don't really care whether or not we're being greedy.  They're simply putting out music that's close to their hearts and sounds good to them.  Whether or not we like it or whatever doesn't seem to be of consequence to them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:09
It's their fault more making awesome music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 16:55

My dad always insults my wanting of new albums by saying some day I'll think of them all as rubbish and regret 'wasting' all my money on them.

Like he knows what he's talking about.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 16:42

Originally posted by jojim jojim wrote:

I have the feeling that prog has found it's end after 40 years - similiar to classical musc.

I am afraid I have to disagree, you might just need to really progress, as the taste for the genre implies. That is, there are some neo prog bands just following the same lines that have been, at this point in time, done to death. And anyway, were, at least, already done magnificently in their time [Crimson, GG, Genesis, Yes, VDGG...]. Try expanding into 'avant-prog.'  Even if a given work may be somewhat derivative/have derivative elements, it is often in paying tribute to a given genre of inspiration, but the artists are moving in ways of their own; as creative musicians, not just parrots [however adept/tight/hot the musicianship]. Now, avant-prog has a tendency to veer into areas that may be a bit much [experimental and/or inventive] if you're only used to traditional [e.g. symphonic] prog, or if you have pop inclinations, but try some and give it a chance. Allow your tastes an open ear & mind maybe...? Or, if you want to stay in a trad. [70s] prog vein, have you explored any Italian prog? I just learned about it in the last few years, and there are really some masterpieces out there!

Good luck! And I say: never give up on prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2006 at 20:07
Originally posted by sbrushfan sbrushfan wrote:

When I tear into a CD for the first time, even if it's by a group I've never heard (of), I have a bit of trepidation...is it gonna be magical(my first reaction to MOVING PICTURES and OCTAVARIUM)?   Is it gonna make me cry (DAMNATION from Opeth)?  Is it gonna be complete and utter crap? (Too many to mention...lol). Even if it's not prog at all (and I have more non-prog than prog), there's something magical and mysterious on every CD I own, and that fuels my greed...the need for more of that patented magic; that emotional pull...I have to have everything by that person/group/whatever.
i do this with both music and porn :(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2006 at 17:13
When I tear into a CD for the first time, even if it's by a group I've never heard (of), I have a bit of trepidation...is it gonna be magical(my first reaction to MOVING PICTURES and OCTAVARIUM)?   Is it gonna make me cry (DAMNATION from Opeth)?  Is it gonna be complete and utter crap? (Too many to mention...lol). Even if it's not prog at all (and I have more non-prog than prog), there's something magical and mysterious on every CD I own, and that fuels my greed...the need for more of that patented magic; that emotional pull...I have to have everything by that person/group/whatever.
Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2006 at 16:44

my only problem is i dont give myself enough time to digest the albums that i recently bought, i just keep buying more, not greed, just an addiction

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2006 at 10:42
Originally posted by jojim jojim wrote:

Thanks for your deep thoughts about experiencing music or prog. I always think when buying a new CD, that this one will bring me the relief of my greediness for higher emotional impact.

Same here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:51
Thanks for your deep thoughts about experiencing music or prog. I always think when buying a new CD, that this one will bring me the relief of my greediness for higher emotional impact. But it is a ladder to nowhere - or put it in a better known word - a stairway to heaven. In the music I like there is enought emotional impact, but I'm going for more. There is no bottom line.

Interestingly I'm in love at the moment with an album that satisfies my emotional gap that cannot be  filled by prog right now. It is Paul McCartneys recent new album "Chaos and ...". Although it is  not too proggish it gives me the musical feeling that I 'm missing. It has something new and on the other hand something very familiar. There is no speedy guitar, no Gentle Giant like canons, no d rums that play 32 b/measure, nothing artistic. But it has instruments and melodies that hit me in the right place - in my brain. Pretty weired. But I had to struggle very long to find this album pleasing me. And this is normally the way for me to discover real prog. A steep way to olympus. Long time listening.

I have the feeling that prog has found it's end after 40 years - similiar to classical musc. But this might be a very personal sight. But history teaches us, that every thing comes to an end. In painting it is a bit the same. All you can watch now is more or less something that happened before, only a bit distinct. 

By the way: a good way to start with Paul is the song "This never happenend before". And this gives me hope.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 16:02

Nothing to do with prog, or music in general- it's just human nature to want more things, better quality, and higher excitement. But we eventually can't find that and become attatched to our material possessions (such as cds); possessive and unable to let them go, but at the same time disgusted by what we have.

Music eventually becomes like a drug. You hear it once, then you love listening to it. It gets you to a state of bliss, perhaps upon discovering a new song or band. Then, you listen to it just for happiness. You listen more regularly and it eventually gets boring. You try listening to more, and different kinds, and start discovering more "intense" music (for me it was the spaciness and demented beauty of DSOTM, and the awesome post-grunge of Our Lady Peace's Clumsy), and you get to a point where you have listen all the time. Then, like a drug for a daily user, listening to it just brings you to "normal". So then you keep listening, but don't really enjoy it as much as you used to.

You can buy as many cds as you want, but it still won't fill the void in your soul that desires what they can only bring for one or two listens- happiness.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:15
Prog artists can't be poor if you read this thread 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:07
...We are people who search always something different and we want always to know more....this is exactly the reason why we are prog listeners and not pop suckers!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:52

I spend too much money on CDs.  This week alone I have spent about sixty dollars.  But I have friends who will lay down twice that in one night at a bar. 

 

I am thankful that our aspirations are so high and that we are supporting one of the greatest aspects of cultural and spiritual development that we could be.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 10:45
because all these artist keep releaseing new material   ,and we want it all..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 10:11

Originally posted by jojim jojim wrote:

I have about 700 Cds of all genres. I have many prog albums that are listed in this forum. - But even having all this stuff I try to get more prog by reading this kind of sites. Do I not have enough with all that GENESIS, JETHRO TULL, KING CRIMSON; YES; music? No. I'm looking for something that is different but not too different to what I own. >>>> I am always on the look out myself and ever more so since I found regular web access and found right away the Archives and Syn-phonic

On the other hand when I first got to know groups like Stargate, Hatfield and the north, Happy the man etc (only 12 month ag0) I was disappointed by what they did.>>> very valid point, (except for Hatfield, though), I find many of the groups I discover not quite what they are built up to be. There is a lot of second or third league stuff and not just in the Archives or prog in itself. the fact is that a lot of groups simply sound like copycats or too obviously influenced or worse..... they just meander around doing prog ala XXX fashion such as The Flower Kings ofr Spock's Beard

 But I still try to get something special that the bands of my youth did not convey. >>>> I always look for those lost gems I missed back then!!!!! And it DOES happen that I stumble on one now and then....

My only hickey is: perhaps there is not more behind the Wall. Perhaps I have heard everything that is different from other music. And I'm on a road to nowhere.>>>>> The fact that still do find from time to time , some records making me climbing up the walls is maybe the ONLY reason why I keep discovering new stuff in prog, but I always dread finally drying up the well or exhausting the gold vein in prog digging

Do you feel the same way? The eternal attempt to find something different?>>> not always something different but something more (it can be of the same as long as it is of good quality)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 09:34
Originally posted by edible_buddha edible_buddha wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I think it's something about humans always wanting something new. It's not just about prog or music, it could be anything. We are never satisfied with what we have and are always striving for more, newer, bigger, better, ... It's probably the reason why we don't still live in caves.

True! We cant plug a CD player in a cave.



I had to move to a bigger cave to accomodate my rapidly growing prog collectiion once I discovered this site.

In the process of moving, I ran into Osama bin Laden. He said that neither Queen, Deep Purple, The Beatles, or Iron Butterfly belong in the archives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:14

As many of  us have expreseed tis is not really greedyness. I just like get familiar with exciting music.

I have long "wanted" lists, but many of this are not easy to find. A sucessful finding of a rare or unique longsought album is a realy great experience. There are almost complete subgenres to discover yet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 06:48
Well aside from the good music youll hear, i think its that instinct to hunt. Its such a thrill to find an album that you really like, whatever format it is (tapes, cds, mp3s, vinyl etc). Its really a satisfaction to find what im looking for, just like that Kansas' Leftoverture CD i bought yesterday!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 06:41

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I think it's something about humans always wanting something new. It's not just about prog or music, it could be anything. We are never satisfied with what we have and are always striving for more, newer, bigger, better, ... It's probably the reason why we don't still live in caves.

True! We cant plug a CD player in a cave.

I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 06:39

Originally posted by CryoftheCarrots CryoftheCarrots wrote:

I'm not greedy,I just love music.While I still have my hearing I will continue to buy music (prog or otherwise).Luckily my wife shares the same philosophy as do my 2 teenagers.The only problem is not having enough time to listen to our collection.Last year our new years resolution was to listen to every cd in the collection at least once.Didn't quite get there due to all the new additions taking up listening time.

Agree with u totally, carrots.  I tend to be a fan of a lot of music, but finding it is difficult as I have a limited income and the fact that I live in a town where many of the inhabitants see (for example) Led Zepplin as too heavy...... I know there are stores over the net, but the credit card is a little too over burdened (I wonder why...).  Feeding my curiosity is therefore a slow process.  I too made a new yrs resolution to listen to my CD collection at least once..... but the evils of this website introduced me to krautrock....(Im tempted, what can I say).

I try to have a revolving door policy with my cds as to ridding them once i am sick of them, but i like what ive got too much.  Curiosity will send me broke, but I c me revelling in my poverty, as it keeps me sane (...I really like this jacket, but the sleeves r much too long....).

In short, greed - not that i'll admit it... Insanity - sure!

I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long.
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