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Topic: different sub-genres in different KC eras
Posted: February 19 2006 at 03:07

81-84+minimalism
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Posted: February 19 2006 at 02:33

chamberry wrote:

they play King Crimson music.

thats the genre .

Yes, they are too original to be classified.

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Posted: February 19 2006 at 02:20

Bj-1 wrote:

1969-1972:

Symphonic Prog, Art Rock, Jazz-Rock

1973-1975:

Jazz-Rock, Heavy Metal, Experimental/Avant-Garde, Symphonic Prog

1981-1984:

Art Rock, Experimental, Fusion

1995-present: (haven't heard so much from that period yet, but from what I've heard)

Prog-Metal

1969-the end:

King-Crimsonesque

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Posted: February 19 2006 at 01:41

The best KC periods were 1970-1971 and 1980-1984 :D

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Posted: February 19 2006 at 01:17

they play King Crimson music.

thats the genre .

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Posted: February 19 2006 at 00:32

1969-1972:

Symphonic Prog, Art Rock, Jazz-Rock

1973-1975:

Jazz-Rock, Heavy Metal, Experimental/Avant-Garde, Symphonic Prog

1981-1984:

Art Rock, Experimental, Fusion

1995-present: (haven't heard so much from that period yet, but from what I've heard)

Prog-Metal

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 20:22

Krautrock?

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 18:11

Yes I know Rosescar. Yet, is'nt it a bit silly to call a genre not based on music type but on the place it was made ?

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 17:21

omri wrote:

It is very funny IMO that Caravan & Soft machine are in the same sub-genre cause Caravan are very melodic and Soft machine are much more jazzy

Canterbury scene isn't so much about scene as about the location - hence the name, Canterbury's a city y'know.

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 17:00

who gives a s___

they write good music.

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 16:58

I think we deal too much on classifying music by genres. It's O.K. to have an idea of what kind of music a band is playing but we took it too far. It is very funny IMO that Caravan & Soft machine are in the same sub-genre cause Caravan are very melodic and Soft machine are much more jazzy. Personally I ca'nt understand the difference between RIO Avant-garde and part of Canterbury (I would call all of it Avant-garde).

Talking about King crimson I do agree there is some Jazz & RIO in their music (The track that opens Henry cow's "Western culture" (forgot it's name) sounds very crimson to me). I think that Brufford / Wetton era has also progressive metal like TPTB for instance while in the 80's they sound close to Talking heads (now, what sub-genre are they ? they do'nt even exist here in the archive).

I think it is even more interesting to do the same thing with Pink floyd. Those guys did almost every sub-genre that is possible.

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 16:32

Well, of their early albums...

ItCotCK and Wake of Poseidon- Symphonic Prog, with hints of Jazz rock.

Lizard and Islands- jazz rock/fusion

then larks, starless and BB and Red are more of a mix between Symphonic hard rock and hard jazz rock. I don't know, a mix between the first two eras, which is kind of funny, because you think it would have been some kind of middle ground, but really it's way crazier than the previous stuff.

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 16:24

^ well put Tholoymes. I'm most familiar with the Larks Tongues - Red era that also featured some great live performances. Not sure "jazz rock/ fusion" is the best description of that era though!

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 15:50

sounds good.

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 13:02

- In the court of the crimson king, In The Wake of Poseidon, Lizard and Islands: Symphonic Rock with few touches of jazz rock. I think Island is their most symphonic and in the other hand Lizard has more Jazz Rock.

- Lark's Tongue In Aspic, Starless and Bible Black and Red: Experimantal/Jazz Rock Fusion and Art Rock above all, i think. Being "Starless and Bible Black" the most experimental and their more RIO/Avant Garde related.

- Discipline, Beat, Three of a perfect pair: Yes. Simply art rock with few passages of jazz rock.

- Thrak: The same. Art Rock-prog metal (although "THRAKATTAK" is more Experimental and completly and inaccesible RIO)

The ProjeKcts: RIO/Avant Garde prog.

The Construkction of Light and The Power To Believe: Prog Metal with touches of RIO.

I think that there should be a genre called "Crimsonian Prog"

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Posted: February 18 2006 at 03:14

So, what I just thought is that KC in it's different eras of existence should be qualificated to different prog sub genres. I think that basicali it could look like that:
69-70 : Symphonic
72-74 : Jazz/Rock fusion
81-84 : Art-rock
94-96: ?? (artrock/progmetal -sth. between?)
00-...: Prog-metal

So, what do you think?