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PROGMAN
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Topic: Two Bootleg Recordings on the Floyd Page Posted: March 01 2006 at 19:07 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: March 01 2006 at 18:56 | |
At this moment there is a strange policy about illegal recordings: in The Netherlands you can by illegal cd's like Genesis Live and Pink Floyd Anthology (both featuring footage from the early years) in legal record shops. I have asked how this is possible, well their answer was this: as long as the bands don't start to pursuit the record shops that sell these illegal/bootleg recordings they are regarded as 'not illegal' ... can you follow me? About the illegal CD reviews I often got the idea that the reviewers consider it as interesting to review these rare cd's rather than they want to add something constructive to Prog Archives! |
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PROGMAN
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 03 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 2664 |
Posted: March 01 2006 at 18:17 | |
OK point taken..... ....by all means not a critism both sites offer good PROG arguments, I didn't literally mean by the word "rival" just showing it was from a different source. Maybe I should have choson my words more carefully. |
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DBSilver
Forum Newbie Joined: May 06 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: March 01 2006 at 13:21 | |
"rival Prog website" ??? Gee what's next... "Hated Enemy website"? Certainly the mutual patrons of the two web sites would consider both sites to be assets to the prog community rather than rivals. |
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DBSilver www.ProGGnosis.com |
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: February 21 2006 at 20:03 | |
Ok... I'll post this link, one more time....
www.harvested.org. That KQED DVD is created by Harvested.org. You can even click on the picture of KQED that's on that site; it clearly identifies Harvested on the back of the DVD cover. A little bit of trivia here... HARVEST RECORDS was the record company that Floyd signed with in 1969, and stayed with until The Final Cut, at which point they moved to EMI. So what is HARVESTED RECORDS? A clever play on the name HARVEST RECORDS. Like most bootleg suppliers, they find something on the band's history to base their name off of. Take, for instance, Free Range Pigs. That's another Pink Floyd Bootleg Distributor. Anyway, you can read Harvested.org's site. They create that stuff on their own. Their stuff can only be obtained by trading. All that information is right on their site. I fail to see how anymore research is involved. As for the Complete Zabriskie Point... I own it. It's a bootleg. It can only be obtainted by trading. What more proof does one need? But I suppose you want me to link you to some information, so... http://rateyourmusic.com/release/unauth/pink_floyd/the_compl ete_zabriskie_point_sessions/ Clearly labled as a bootleg^ http://www.pinkfloydfan.net/t6396-the-complete-zabriskie-poi nt-sessions.html They discuss how its up for trade on that board^ They clearly identify it as a CDR release... http://pf-db.com/index.php?list=songs&choice=244 There it is listed on an RoIO database (Recordings of illegitimate origin) http://www.roio.radzionkow.net/roio.htm Another RoIO database^ And that Masters of Rock Album... that is legit. I said that. I spent an hour the other day researching it. Its the other album, The Best of Pink Floyd album that looks sketchy. Featuring the same tracklisting, the same Catalogue Number, a spelling mistake directly on the tracklist, and a release four years apart from the known legit Masters of Rock? That completely suggests being a boot. Especially the catalogue number. I can see no reason for it being exactly the same as Masters of Rock.. yet it is. That is pretty much a sure sign of illegitimacy. Edited by ResidentAlien |
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Bryan
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 01 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3013 |
Posted: February 21 2006 at 20:00 | |
ResidentAlien is right, these Floyd releases are definitely bootlegs.
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: February 21 2006 at 08:37 | |
?? I'm male! Or maybe you're suggesting I'm a sissy? Anyway, I'm not going to delete albums that have been reviewed already. Secondly I don't see any real evidence that those albums are bootlegs. The Masters Of Rock album for example was just an obscure release. And DVDs like KQED may very well be legal. And I don't feel like researching all this. Contact another admin if you guys would like to see this taken care of. Sorry. I'm currently busy doing things for University. Edited by Joren |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: February 20 2006 at 14:37 | |
I agree with that BF, that VDGG album is certainly not a bootleg. The problem is, many of the albums of "BBC" recordings are bootlegs. Anyone can record them off the radio and press up copies. The letters BBC can give them a false appearance of legitimacy. |
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Jimbo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 28 2005 Location: Helsinki Status: Offline Points: 2818 |
Posted: February 20 2006 at 13:23 | |
Ok, I've contacted Joren again, he'll take a look at this...
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: February 20 2006 at 13:04 | |
They wouldn't selll bootlegs? There's a local chain of record
shops (Record and Tape Traders) that did indeed sell bootlegs.
They did so for years. They got busted for it, and no longer sell
'em. But they did.
And I repeat, there's nothing official about anything released under Harvested. They are straight-up bootlegs. |
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: February 20 2006 at 03:52 | |
For me the fact that an album is officially available in a record shop makes it a none-bootleg. Record shops would not sell albums that are illegal; it would only get them into trouble. Take for example an album like "Maida Vale" by VdGG. It is not an official VdGG recording (proven by the fact that Hammill does not list it on his homepage). On the other hand PH even wrote some liner notes for "Maida Vale" (undoubtedly written by him; his style and sense of humour is unmistakeable). This makes the album a non-bootleg for me. Edited by BaldFriede |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: February 20 2006 at 03:47 | |
It is indeed true that the BBC had full rights to broadcast the sesssions, but as RA says, they rarely had the right to release them as albums. Even those which have been released offically are not usually on a BBC label. The fact that they are titled "BBC sessions" does not mean that they have been released by the BBC. |
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: February 19 2006 at 18:25 | |
Yes, but not that particular recording. That's a Harvested
release. It's not sold in any stores. Go read that
Harvested site I posted, it might clear it up. It's a
Bootleg. The only way Harvested material can be obtained is
through downloading or trading.
As for the Complete Zabriskie Point Sessions... it's a bootleg too. I mentioned it earlier. Anyone gonna take care of that? Edited by ResidentAlien |
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: February 19 2006 at 16:23 | |
I don't think these "BBC session" albums (there are some of several
artists) can be considered as bootlegs. True, they have not been
published by the artists themselves, but the BBC has the full rights to
them. There are several "BBC session" albums in the archives. They can
be bought openly in any well-sorted record shop, which would not be
possible with bootlegs.
Edited by BaldJean |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: February 19 2006 at 15:17 | |
This recent addition appears to be another bootleg. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=11130 |
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: February 18 2006 at 19:08 | |
She |
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: February 18 2006 at 16:14 | |
This is also pretty fishy...
Masters of Rock The Best of Pink Floyd The first of those two is a known-legitimate release... the second one is fishy as hell. Compare those two. The track-listings are identical. However, on the latter, Candy and a Currant Bun is misspelled directly on the album. Not to mention, after researching it, I turned up precious little information. The best lead I got was the album's catalogue number... when I searched it... it led me directly back to Masters of Rock. According to the catalogue number, those two albums are one in the same. According to the tracklisting, they are one in the same. But according to the date of release.. there's a four-year difference. Frankly, I don't much trust that Best Of to be legit. |
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: February 18 2006 at 15:47 | |
Someone just added another Floyd Bootleg to the Floyd page...
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_C D.asp?cd_id=11130 That's definitely a bootleg; I own it. The only official release from Zabriskie Point is the ZP OST. All others (i.e Complete ZP, Ultimate ZP, etc) are bootlegs. Edited by ResidentAlien |
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: February 13 2006 at 18:59 | |
Both KQED and BBC are Harvested releases. Harvested is the premier Floyd bootleg distributor. They do fantastic work remastering, and otherwise fixing these recordings.... but they aren't official. http://www.harvested.org/DVD001/ http://www.harvested.org/CDR007%2DBBCArchives/ Proof^ |
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PROGMAN
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 03 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 2664 |
Posted: February 13 2006 at 17:31 | |
I'm very suprised the BBC album by Pink Floyd is a bootleg, BBC are a MAJOR professional TV/Radio company, the album was listed in a rival PROG website ProgGnosis.com and that's why it was thought to be alright for the album to be included here!!
Well that's the rules it will have to be deleted if it is a bootleg but surely official bootlegs are fine?? |
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