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Mantra
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Topic: G3 Guitarists Posted: August 27 2008 at 15:29 |
1) Petrucci
2) Vai
3) Satch
4) Johnson. [Is his tone amazing or what?]
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crimhead
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 14:46 |
I'd still like to hear a recording of Fripp with G3.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 20:57 |
Not a bad list. It comes down to Vai and Fripp....
Fripp.
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nordwind
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 20:55 |
Where's Michael Schenker & Uli Jon Roth - they were in a G3 in Europe w/Satch about 10 yrs ago ?
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Jazz isn't dead.......it just smells funny.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 30 2008 at 13:58 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
neo-classical? his skills of composition and playing don't even compare with classical musicians. his music is actually in the top three least diverse i've ever heard, how can you not get bored? honestly, leave classical music to classical musicians, he's probably murdering and re-murdering Baroch as we speak.
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I think you've missed the entire point of what Malmsteen was trying to achieve. I thought it was implied that I meant neo-classical metal. Neo-classical metal, well at least what Malmsteen was doing, only really used the more superficial aspects of classical music, like motifs, melodies and the scales. Some of the guys that came after Malmsteen on the metal scene, went a step further, and incorporated elements like counterpoint et al compositional techniques. Neo-classical metal, is in no way or form, as complex as neo-classical music in the style of , say Stravinsky. He didn't do much for neo-classical itself, but in the field of heavy metal, he was an innovater. I hope this has shed some misunderstandings about my other post.
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It has, and thanks. I still don't like the guy though, he bores me to near-suicide
Just out of curiousity, who did you vote for in this poll?
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Well in all truth, I only own 3 Malmsteen albums and I've seen him live and he was honestly a very fun live act to see, but unfortunately I think his creativity for writing innovative music in the neo-classic metal field ended after 1986, and he has somewhat just rehashed his own successful formula far too many times for my liking.
My vote? Satriani. Restrained, yet mind blowing, melodic, firey and emotive guitar playing.
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Good choice
I think i'm right in saying also that he is very heavily classically trained?
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Joe Satriani? Nope. He in fact studied jazz in his youth with none other than Lennie Tristiano, which explains why he can tackle the more fusion side of things well and has an extremely good grounding in modal theory.
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Oh really That would also explain the hefty jazz/blues origins in his works like Strange Beautiful Music (my favourite album by him), and deeper into it the guitar solo in Chords of Life. I heard somewhere that he has a great understanding of music theory as well.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 28 2008 at 17:05 |
kibble_alex wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
neo-classical? his skills of composition and playing don't even compare with classical musicians. his music is actually in the top three least diverse i've ever heard, how can you not get bored? honestly, leave classical music to classical musicians, he's probably murdering and re-murdering Baroch as we speak.
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I think you've missed the entire point of what Malmsteen was trying to achieve. I thought it was implied that I meant neo-classical metal. Neo-classical metal, well at least what Malmsteen was doing, only really used the more superficial aspects of classical music, like motifs, melodies and the scales. Some of the guys that came after Malmsteen on the metal scene, went a step further, and incorporated elements like counterpoint et al compositional techniques. Neo-classical metal, is in no way or form, as complex as neo-classical music in the style of , say Stravinsky. He didn't do much for neo-classical itself, but in the field of heavy metal, he was an innovater. I hope this has shed some misunderstandings about my other post.
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It has, and thanks. I still don't like the guy though, he bores me to near-suicide
Just out of curiousity, who did you vote for in this poll?
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Well in all truth, I only own 3 Malmsteen albums and I've seen him live and he was honestly a very fun live act to see, but unfortunately I think his creativity for writing innovative music in the neo-classic metal field ended after 1986, and he has somewhat just rehashed his own successful formula far too many times for my liking.
My vote? Satriani. Restrained, yet mind blowing, melodic, firey and emotive guitar playing.
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Good choice
I think i'm right in saying also that he is very heavily classically trained?
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Joe Satriani? Nope. He in fact studied jazz in his youth with none other than Lennie Tristiano, which explains why he can tackle the more fusion side of things well and has an extremely good grounding in modal theory.
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 21:05 |
I'm sorry but as much as I love Robert Fripp as a musician and prog guitarist, he shouldn't be winning this poll at all. If multiple votes weren't allowed this wouldn't be as it is.
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 21:03 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Robert Fripp, the one musician on the list. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 15:49 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ It's funny how such a short post can be amongst the most disgusting things I've ever read here ... and I've been here for a long time. |
Geeze take it with a grain of salt. Guy can't use hyperbole. |
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Padraic
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 15:40 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ It's funny how such a short post can be amongst the most disgusting things I've ever read here ... and I've been here for a long time. |
Geeze take it with a grain of salt. Guy can't use hyperbole. |
I thought there had been some offensive post between the two that got deleted...suffice it to say you pushed a button there.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 15:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ It's funny how such a short post can be amongst the most disgusting things I've ever read here ... and I've been here for a long time. |
Geeze take it with a grain of salt. Guy can't use hyperbole.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 15:17 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Robert Fripp, the one musician on the list. |
Thank you
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 14:56 |
^ It's funny how such a short post can be amongst the most disgusting things I've ever read here ... and I've been here for a long time.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 26 2008 at 14:09 |
Robert Fripp, the one musician on the list.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 14:51 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
neo-classical? his skills of composition and playing don't even compare with classical musicians. his music is actually in the top three least diverse i've ever heard, how can you not get bored? honestly, leave classical music to classical musicians, he's probably murdering and re-murdering Baroch as we speak.
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I think you've missed the entire point of what Malmsteen was trying to achieve. I thought it was implied that I meant neo-classical metal. Neo-classical metal, well at least what Malmsteen was doing, only really used the more superficial aspects of classical music, like motifs, melodies and the scales. Some of the guys that came after Malmsteen on the metal scene, went a step further, and incorporated elements like counterpoint et al compositional techniques. Neo-classical metal, is in no way or form, as complex as neo-classical music in the style of , say Stravinsky. He didn't do much for neo-classical itself, but in the field of heavy metal, he was an innovater. I hope this has shed some misunderstandings about my other post.
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It has, and thanks. I still don't like the guy though, he bores me to near-suicide
Just out of curiousity, who did you vote for in this poll?
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Well in all truth, I only own 3 Malmsteen albums and I've seen him live and he was honestly a very fun live act to see, but unfortunately I think his creativity for writing innovative music in the neo-classic metal field ended after 1986, and he has somewhat just rehashed his own successful formula far too many times for my liking.
My vote? Satriani. Restrained, yet mind blowing, melodic, firey and emotive guitar playing.
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Good choice I think i'm right in saying also that he is very heavily classically trained?
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 12:38 |
kibble_alex wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
neo-classical? his skills of composition and playing don't even compare with classical musicians. his music is actually in the top three least diverse i've ever heard, how can you not get bored? honestly, leave classical music to classical musicians, he's probably murdering and re-murdering Baroch as we speak.
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I think you've missed the entire point of what Malmsteen was trying to achieve. I thought it was implied that I meant neo-classical metal. Neo-classical metal, well at least what Malmsteen was doing, only really used the more superficial aspects of classical music, like motifs, melodies and the scales. Some of the guys that came after Malmsteen on the metal scene, went a step further, and incorporated elements like counterpoint et al compositional techniques. Neo-classical metal, is in no way or form, as complex as neo-classical music in the style of , say Stravinsky. He didn't do much for neo-classical itself, but in the field of heavy metal, he was an innovater. I hope this has shed some misunderstandings about my other post.
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It has, and thanks. I still don't like the guy though, he bores me to near-suicide
Just out of curiousity, who did you vote for in this poll?
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Well in all truth, I only own 3 Malmsteen albums and I've seen him live and he was honestly a very fun live act to see, but unfortunately I think his creativity for writing innovative music in the neo-classic metal field ended after 1986, and he has somewhat just rehashed his own successful formula far too many times for my liking. My vote? Satriani. Restrained, yet mind blowing, melodic, firey and emotive guitar playing.
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LinusW
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 12:34 |
Jim Garten wrote:
keeping the entire spandex indstry of the western world going...
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The whole idea of the spandex INDUSTRY intrigues me. Possibly more so than those keeping it going.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 12:30 |
Dr Know wrote:
Robert Fripp toured with G3 last year sometime. They had a few shows in Sao Paulo. |
When he played with G3 in the UK he was actually boo-ed on more than one occasion
God forbid people should applaud someone for being a supremely talented guitarist who just happens not to play as fast as possible to cover up one note in 5 being a bummer, whilst sucking his cheeks in continually & keeping the entire spandex indstry of the western world going...
Sorry - I'll take this to the ranting room.
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:24 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
neo-classical? his skills of composition and playing don't even compare with classical musicians. his music is actually in the top three least diverse i've ever heard, how can you not get bored? honestly, leave classical music to classical musicians, he's probably murdering and re-murdering Baroch as we speak.
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I think you've missed the entire point of what Malmsteen was trying to achieve. I thought it was implied that I meant neo-classical metal. Neo-classical metal, well at least what Malmsteen was doing, only really used the more superficial aspects of classical music, like motifs, melodies and the scales. Some of the guys that came after Malmsteen on the metal scene, went a step further, and incorporated elements like counterpoint et al compositional techniques. Neo-classical metal, is in no way or form, as complex as neo-classical music in the style of , say Stravinsky. He didn't do much for neo-classical itself, but in the field of heavy metal, he was an innovater. I hope this has shed some misunderstandings about my other post.
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It has, and thanks. I still don't like the guy though, he bores me to near-suicide Just out of curiousity, who did you vote for in this poll?
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 12:52 |
kibble_alex wrote:
neo-classical? his skills of composition and playing don't even compare with classical musicians. his music is actually in the top three least diverse i've ever heard, how can you not get bored? honestly, leave classical music to classical musicians, he's probably murdering and re-murdering Baroch as we speak.
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I think you've missed the entire point of what Malmsteen was trying to achieve. I thought it was implied that I meant neo-classical metal. Neo-classical metal, well at least what Malmsteen was doing, only really used the more superficial aspects of classical music, like motifs, melodies and the scales. Some of the guys that came after Malmsteen on the metal scene, went a step further, and incorporated elements like counterpoint et al compositional techniques. Neo-classical metal, is in no way or form, as complex as neo-classical music in the style of , say Stravinsky. He didn't do much for neo-classical itself, but in the field of heavy metal, he was an innovater. I hope this has shed some misunderstandings about my other post.
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