Bands that should and shouldn’t be here

Captain beefheart should be here.

radiohead and Smashing pumpkins shouldn't.

It's a JOKE, Dick... Yanni is meagor...bleck

Sorry about the name thingee, I was just spanking Peter! 

It's my contention that Reed Lover is actually Henry Rollins who is posting here to amuse himself during slow moments between death poems...

It is hard to put in same basket ELO and F.Zappa. But it's also hard put in same basket Zappa's albums - Hot Rats (jazz-rock), Sheik Yerbouti (alt. rock) and Yelow Shark (avant-g. classic music). All this names of styles are only helping us to talking about music, not listening. I think the name style:Progressive Rock isn't good idea - I prefer Art Rock, Symphonic Rock, Alternative etc. Elvis was also Progressive Rock compare with Sinatra.

By the way. For me Frank Zappa is great composer (like J.S.Bach). Rest are good or bad rock bands. And I like ELO too.

I think we should reshape a few things on the site, like the genres list. It should be modified to have the following genres:

Symphonic Prog: band functions as an orchestra of sorts, or sounds something close to Genesis' sound

Neo-Prog: glazed-over, simpler, newer, more mainstream prog, sometimes nieve in the methods it uses

Prog Metal: uses crunch, high gain, and other metal techniques to give it a metal sound but is prog in a mainstream disguise, like Dream Theater

Art Rock: lighter prog, could also be "hard prog" like Rush (not quite metal, not really symphonic); sort of a middle ground

Krautrock: same definition as currently used

Zheul: same definition as being used now

Canterbury: I've never heard anything from here, wouldn't know

RIO: same

Jazz-Fusion: same

Space Prog: minimalistic at times, very psychadelic prog

Alternative Prog: semi-prog, the least prog-related than anything else on the site; this is where any controversial new bands would be placed, like Radiohead; this would be mainly to pull in newcomers. By including bands that are somewhat related to prog, people will find this site and say "hey, my favorite band's on here!" and they'll look around more and discover other prog bands

Proto-prog: pre-prog bands, like the Beatles and to a certain extent the Moody Blues, maybe The Who

Folk prog: more folksy, hard rock bands like Jethro Tull or Led Zeppelin

Italian Symphonic Prog: same

Experimental: like Zappa and Captain Beefheart

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Some other reforms should be made. As many bands as possible should be placed on the site, and the controversial or semi-prog bands will be categorized as "alternative prog" to lure in newcomers. (NOTE TO PURISTS: this site is not sacred. Does it really matter what is on the site as long as YOU think it isn't prog? Honestly. If you don't think it's prog, we'll have that "alternative" label, and you'll know what to avoid.)

Also, the genres being used are too broad. Pink Floyd is labelled "space prog" instantly, although only their earlier material is such. They later became art/symphonic with Waters, still with spacey influences. The Wall is Rock Opera, nothing near space prog. After that it becomes poppish stuff with Gilmour at the helm. I think genres should not be applied to the band as a whole, but to their individual albums. Like when you click Pink Floyd's "Sacerful of Secrets" it would say it was "space rock". However, when you click "Dark Side" it would be symphonic rock or art rock. Or both! Maybe we could have multiple genres for each! And for concept albums, they should be labelled such. Rock Operas would be similarly labelled.

Just some thoughts. Feel free to bash, trash, and thrash as you please. But don't be overly purist. That means you oliverstoned!

Brilliantly put.

Sorry

Ye gods - it's like road kill!

I can only assume that since the Admins have left this post, they expect me to respond...

Reed Lover wrote: One tries to do the right thing ie use emoticons to take the fire out of situations and whilst you find my latest preoccupation childish, or overdone at best,that is your perogative. The trouble is that whenever one uses humour in "tense" {Who's tense? I'm not. Calm down and stop taking it all so seriously!}  situations everyone else seems to lose their sense of humour.The fireman smiley was a double-entendre for putting out the flames but also colonic irrigation (oh how we laughed!-NOT!) which was apt given my post. Which part of "my intention is not to flame" was so hard to understand? I fail to understand {That is obvious - as I said, and Robert Plant before me; "Communication Breakdown..."} -you might wish to educate me {No, I wish to correct you} - how you can opine that a certain band pushes the limits of anything (even patience) and make that a statement of fact {It's easy, if you'd care to actually have that discussion instead of this character assessment thing you'd find out how I discovered the facts that disprove your opinion. Don't take it so personally - it's only debate about music}.They might be a little more thoughtful than your average Indie band but avant-garde they aint. {*Sigh* 1) Who said they were Avant-garde? 2) What has their being avant-garde got to do with anything? 3) Actually, you are wrong again. "Kid A" is Avant Garde. 4) There are so many prog bands that aren't Avant-garde that this is irrelevant. 5) Avant-garde applies to music of the 1920s-50s (mainly). I stated that I thought they liked to experiment but I feel this is as far as they go.I dont present this as fact but opinion. {Now you're talking opinion, but you've missed a lot of points in their music if that is really what you think. Since you don't want to be educated, I will wait until you ask before I attempt to provide enlightnement.} I feel it is sometimes too easy for certain individuals to confuse heated debate with confrontation. {Yes - you are making this mistake! Instead of disputing the points I am making about the music, you're getting into some kind of philsophical debate - out of my depth really; I came here to discuss music, not philosophy} I understand this is quite often the "nature of the beast" with forums as you cant see the person who is posting and read their body language.Whenever you have a group of people who are passionate about a subject, whether it be Films. Football or Music, discussing the merits and demerits of their favourites there is inevitable raised voices, hoots of derision and a large chunk of momentary disrespect. Then the next topic comes up it's all forgotten and lfe moves on-until the same topic is raised again. {But that's exactly the point you're missing - let's get away from opinion, and start talking about what's really in the music!} Getting a pompous blast of air from someone {Thank you very much} (who isnt a member of the band {So what? Does that mean we shouldn't be discussing bands if we're not actually members of those bands? Excuse me for thinking that's extremely silly!) who feels their opinion on Radiohead or who/whatever is the word of God {Did I say that?} is fine by me.I enjoy the "banter".What I do mind is the constant insinuation that "persons who shall go unnamed" are  ridiculing,or underminding (or whatever other paranoid nonsense), the more "erudite" forum members. {Someone here is definitely paranoid, in my very limited opinion} Get a life for Goddssake! {I have a very good life, thank you. Take a chill pill!} I use smileys,large script and different colours to brighten up the page. If I use capitals I AM NOT SHOUTING. {YES YOU ARE!!! THIS IS CALLED CONVENTION ON THE INTERNET. YOU MAY NOT MEAN TO SHOUT, BUT TO EVERYONE ELSE, YOU ARE SHOUTING!!!} This is supposed to be fun! {Too right!} I have never knowingly disrespected someones opinion. If making a silly comment undermines or troubles certain individuals then they should go and lie down until the feeling subdsides. {Or maybe you should read what you are about to post before clicking submit to see if it could be misunderstood in any way by people not familiar with your thought patterns} As I tried to say I dont like to take life too seriously-I am happy for people to make jokes at my expense. But do not bloody well insult my intelligence {Absolutely not - I would not dream of it}. I refuse to censor everything I write before posting {Maybe not, but at least THINK}, I do not believe that a mere music forum warrants this.I think that anyone who spends any longer than a few seconds considering their posts should get out to the pub and join in some "real-life" debate.This is something I enjoy and I aint watching my back any longer. {It's not about watching your back, it's about thinking about other people. You will probably read this as some kind of beration, a telling-off if you like, and you will probably remonstrate my apparently authoritative style with more comments along the lines of "get off my case". However, as long as you direct ill-considered comments like these at me, I will react much the same. But that's boring. Let's talk about the music. Please?

Certif1ed wrote: OK - no probs. Next time I have colonic irrigation I'll make sure the plumbings done properly... thanks  As I said - my intention is not to flame, but to debate; you disputed a point I made and alleged that I was merely stating opinion. I stated my point of view to the contrary and you seem to see it as a flame war. This seems to be very common around here - maybe I need to brush up on my debating skills  Maybe it's just me, but I think that debate is healthy - and when on a forum about music, what better stuff to debate than music itself? Yes, it's hard (no, not that... oh. Hang on...), but then prog is hard to listen to - or we wouldn't enjoy it, right? I'm not using capitals to shout, or funny icons to poke fun or ridicule - when I discuss music, I give it respect. Especially Mariah (we are not worthy...). I just want to get past apparently banal, flat opinions and get to the reasoning behind them. Is that so bad on an intelligent discussions forum? If so, bad Cert No hard feelings - it's very clear that the root is a simple communications issue.

One tries to do the right thing ie use emoticons to take the fire out of situations and whilst you find my latest preoccupation childish, or overdone at best,that is your perogative.

The trouble is that whenever one uses humour in "tense" situations everyone else seems to lose their sense of humour.The fireman smiley was a double-entendre for putting out the flames but also colonic irrigation (oh how we laughed!-NOT!) which was apt given my post.

I fail to understand-you might wish to educate me- how you can opine that a certain band pushes the limits of anything (even patience) and make that a statement of fact.They might be a little more thoughtful than your average Indie band but avant-garde they aint. I stated that I thought they liked to experiment but I feel this is as far as they go.I dont present this as fact but opinion.

I feel it is sometimes too easy for certain individuals to confuse heated debate with confrontation.I understand this is quite often the "nature of the beast" with forums as you cant see the person who is posting and read their body language.Whenever you have a group of people who are passionate about a subject, whether it be Films. Football or Music, discussing the merits and demerits of their favourites there is inevitable raised voices, hoots of derision and a large chunk of momentary disrespect. Then the next topic comes up it's all forgotten and lfe moves on-until the same topic is raised again.

Getting a pompous blast of air from someone (who isnt a member of the band) who feels their opinion on Radiohead or who/whatever is the word of God is fine by me.I enjoy the "banter".What I do mind is the constant insinuation that "persons who shall go unnamed" are  ridiculing,or underminding (or whatever other paranoid nonsense), the more "erudite" forum members. Get a life for Goddssake! I use smileys,large script and different colours to brighten up the page. If I use capitals I AM NOT SHOUTING. This is supposed to be fun! I have never knowingly disrespected someones opinion. If making a silly comment undermines or troubles certain individuals then they should go and lie down until the feeling subdsides.

As I tried to say I dont like to take life too seriously-I am happy for people to make jokes at my expense. But do not bloody well insult my intelligence. I refuse to censor everything I write before posting, I do not believe that a mere music forum warrants this.I think that anyone who spends any longer than a few seconds considering their posts should get out to the pub and join in some "real-life" debate.This is something I enjoy and I aint watching my back any longer.