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    Posted: February 04 2006 at 05:21
Cassandra is really one of the best epics i have heard !!! BETTER THAN CLOSE TO THE EDGE
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There's nothing wrong with Casandra, I just feel that it lacks some of the punch later in the song that their shorter (and even then, their material isn't as short) material.  There's the entire recorded jam session that could've been trimmed abit, but other than that, I love the song and think it ranks up there with the Great Progressive epics.

 

No disrespect to your comment but the build up in the last 5 minutes is orgasmic. The whole song teases you after the enormous build up and the lingering jam which threatens to explode but doesn't and just as you give up hope the whole mood changes, lifts and explodes taking us through to the final coda. The long slow jam is essential to building the tension so that the song can resolve itself. well thats what i think.
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Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

While I do love the song, it's not the best work
they've ever done.


 



Well than share with us. What do you think is the best work they've done?

Cygnus, Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, Drunkhip Of Lanterns, Enuch Provocatour.

There's nothing wrong with Casandra, I just feel that it lacks some of the punch later in the song that their shorter (and even then, their material isn't as short) material.  There's the entire recorded jam session that could've been trimmed abit, but other than that, I love the song and think it ranks up there with the Great Progressive epics.
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http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/2004/listen/alpha_T.htm

Interviews with Omar Rodriguez. Sounds like he is one of us. Definitely not your average posing pop alternative preening.........

Talks of depth of quality of headphones of thinking..........a true progger!
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As I said before: try everyting from "Tarquin's seaweed farm" to "Signify". From that point, just stay away from their albums. They all sound like OASIS, but under some kind of medication...
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MUST GO BACK TO MUSIC STORE AND TRADE DEADWING FOR ANY EARLY PORCUPINE TREE WORK I STRONGLY RECOMMEND "THE SKY MOVES SIDEWAYS" IN FACT JUST BUY EVERYTHING FROM THEIR FIRST ALBUM TO "SIGNIFY" AND THEN STOP DEADWING SOUNDS LIKE OASIS AFTER A KICK IN THE FACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RUN FOR YOUR LIFE SQUIRRELS ARE COMMING BACK AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!....

I have 3 earlier Porcupine Tree albums, Coma Divine Live , some early double album i can't think of, and In Absentia. Coma Divine i enjoy, In absentia i enjoy but as staed earlier i have tried and tried but find Deadwing only interesting in parts and was interested to see that Prog archives voted it album of the year when large slabs are devoted to Verse and chorus and two quite intricate excellent jams then tedious grey slabs of goo in between. If i had reviewed this album after 2 weeks it would have scored 1 it has since risen to a 3 because of the good bits but album of the year? I can't get my head around that.
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Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

six months or so ago i bought two albums on the same day, Deawing by Porcupine Tree and Frances the mute by The Mars Volta. Both were difficult to listen to in the beginning. Deadwing i struggled with and could hardly get through 4 or 5 tracks before changing the CD as the music was a little gloomy and maudlin at times. Frances on the other hand was just so dense that i could not get my head around it.

Now six months later i understand both albums better. Deadwing has some fine parts but still there are tooo many songs with a dull verse followed by a catchy chorus and throughout the album a sprinkling of classy sections followed by a return to the bland. Lazarus is the exception as it is a catchy tune from the off in the coldplay style but after 10 plays or so it becomes ho hum, a typical pop song.

Frances though has revealed many gifts, this is is an album i am glad i never gave up on. It sure helps to hear them live, what an experience, truly amazing, a throwback to the great prog bands of yesteryear in their scope and ambition.

Whilst the whole album is very good i must pay tribute to Cassandra Gemini. This is a track to take the breath away and once finished i'm looking to start it all over.

The symphonic aspect of this epic is apealing and i would love to see this played with a full orchestra someday.

I'm starting to consider this track alongside other epics such as gates of Delirium by Yes. I never thought i would hear music with such scope and grandeur played with so much energy and precision. Is this track a masterpiece? I don't know it's still early days but i'm starting to think Cassandra Gemini should be spoken of alongside the greats. Well Done The Mars Volta

MUST GO BACK TO MUSIC STORE AND TRADE DEADWING FOR ANY EARLY PORCUPINE TREE WORK I STRONGLY RECOMMEND "THE SKY MOVES SIDEWAYS" IN FACT JUST BUY EVERYTHING FROM THEIR FIRST ALBUM TO "SIGNIFY" AND THEN STOP DEADWING SOUNDS LIKE OASIS AFTER A KICK IN THE FACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RUN FOR YOUR LIFE SQUIRRELS ARE COMMING BACK AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!....
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Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

Incredible, i wonder how many of you were like me Yes fans? My favourite epics are Gates of Delirium, CTTE, Awaken , AYAI, Suppers ready, Karn Evil 9

Wow, all in my list of my favourites! along with a lot more Genesis, Elp, Floyd and Crimson of course

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I'm glad you liked Tsongas, there are many great Yes DvD's now, they have done well in that area.
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i enjoy yes, but i'm not exactly crazy about them--although the 35th Anniversary Tsongas DVD is thrilling.
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Incredible, i wonder how many of you were like me Yes fans? My favourite epics are Gates of Delirium, CTTE, Awaken , AYAI, Suppers ready, Karn Evil 9
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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 23:18
Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

While I do love the song, it's not the best work
they've ever done.


 



Well than share with us. What do you think is the best work they've done?
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Cassandra Geminni has become one of my favorite songs and epics for sure.
I never thought it would be as I put off listening to the Mars Volta for a very
long time.

Supper's Ready still stands as my favorite epic (which I think will remain
unmatchable) but Cassandra Geminni is absolutely up there. As I've said
many times before, I can't wait to see what the Mars Volta has in store for us
in hopefully, a long and innovative career.
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Points: 999 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 23:01

I'll just echo what everyone has said here... including king volta by pointing out that it's "Geminni," not "Gemini."

 
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i feel obliged to point out, just because i'm a jerk, that you mispelled the title mister poster..."Cassandra Geminni"

Sorry I'm a jerk, and also a huge TMV fan....
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Cassandra Geminni is a contender for my all-time favourite song. I honestly consider it to be at least as my favourite classic prog epics. It's just one of the overall best pieces of music I've ever heard.
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the mars volta = amazing

cassandra geminni = amazing

everything you said = accurate
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Points: 3083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2006 at 19:05

I can't even sum up how I feel about this incredible band/album/song.
www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Wow other people who feel the same way about TMV as I do.I too bought Frances The Mute and struggled with it.Persistance pays off.6 mths later I was on my own at home and gave it another spin bam! All of a sudden it hit me, I started to pick up on all the layers in this album both musically and vocal/lyrically.Cassandra Gemini-what an epic masterpiece.It now replaces Suppers Ready as my favourite.I'm going to our Australian Big Day Out music festival tomorrow and guess which band is playing-The Mars Volta.I will not miss that show for sure. 
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Originally posted by Syntharachnid Syntharachnid wrote:

My favorite from Frances.  And that's saying something.  What a great album!  What a great epic!  Two thumbs up!  Can't wait to get another Mars Volta album! 

 well, they've been working in their next one....from the news I've heard it's going to be a good one.
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