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fcoulter 
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Joined: December 31 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 44 |
 Topic: Downloading MusicPosted: February 04 2006 at 10:57 |
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I wonder how music existed for the thousands of years before Edison? After all, musicians (if they existed) couldn't support themselves through record sales.
You want to support musicians? Get out of the house and see them perform. And don't limit yourself to signed acts. Look for local acts. Sturgeon's Law does apply, so don't expect a lot of great music. But when you find something good, tell others about it. Get them listed on ProgArchives if they're the right style. (I recently found a group from Mobile, Alabama called Analog Missionary. You might like them, too. Go to www.analogmissionary.com and see for yourself. They have several songs available for download. If you like the songs, check them out live or buy their CDs.) When you get married, hire musicians, not a DJ. Same with other events your putting on. If you don't support live musicians, you'll kill music. If you don't buy major label albums, you're only killing major labels. |
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cobb
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Joined: July 10 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1149 |
Posted: February 01 2006 at 17:17 |
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From a personal point of view, Moatilliatta speaks the truth to a certain extent. Creative people feel the need to create and there is nothing that will stop that while they are young, but there will always come a point in anyones career where harsh decisions have to be made about future plans. So, in fact, you are both right. While young, creators will create, but if the creator cannot make money from his/her talents, it will stop. |
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: February 01 2006 at 13:27 |
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If the artists are doing it for the love of music, I don't think they will quit if they can't make a living off of their art. I know of bands that have day jobs, and spend their nights together writing, rehearsing, etc. Sure, it would be stressful, among other things, but unfortunately, sometimes artists have to resort to doing that. If they love making music, they will make music regardless of circumstance. |
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: February 01 2006 at 13:23 |
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Tristan Mulders
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Posted: February 01 2006 at 05:05 |
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On the other hand, this does allow upcoming bands to spread their music without the support of record labels |
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ChadFromCanada
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Joined: November 12 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 293 |
Posted: January 31 2006 at 17:33 |
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Online shopping is alll the rage. I hear that in the next few years they'll have the technology to ship to relatively small cities too.  |
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goose
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 05:53 |
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Side effect of being a teenager in this century, I guess
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 31 2006 at 02:30 |
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I don't understand - you're saying that you OWN an album by each artist. That would mean that you bought it, but you're saying that you downloaded them. So - did you buy them or not? |
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ambriz
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Joined: January 22 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 81 |
Posted: January 31 2006 at 00:46 |
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I'm going to be honest here.
I have 20 GB of Progressive Metal music in my computer right now, as a matter of fact, I own an album from each band progarchives has in the prog. metal catalog. Unfortunately, living in the United States in a relatively small city, it is impossible for me to get an album by those artist, so I have to download them via E-mule. There have been a lot of progressive albums I loved and looking for an opportunity in the future to purchase them in a store, if they become available. |
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Progressive music, a kind of life.
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ChadFromCanada
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 23:07 |
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I feel that while downloading is a good way to experience new music,
it's more rewarding to myself and the band to purchase the album (on CD
or vinyl) because I feel the glow of commerce, and I have an album with
liner notes, an album cover, little tidbits of info, photos, etc.
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Hendrix828
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Joined: November 19 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: January 30 2006 at 23:03 |
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Like I've alway's said,why would I want to pay for a sh*tty MP3 Not only that,the majority of places are DRM now,which means you only borrow the songs,but never own it.
Artists never made money by record sales anyway's. They alway's made money by touring. And I'm in full agreement with those that say P2P is a great way (The only Way) to expand your musical tastes. Also,the music industry itself has alot of blame towards this also. Like siging up BAD artists and dishing out shoddy material. Edited by Hendrix828 |
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micky
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 20:13 |
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that says more to me about the quality of music today. Don't even start me on movies.... people are crazy to pay those prices for retread movies and endless sequels. If the music is quality they'll buy it. I've had whole albums sent to me via PM, and IM.. the albums I disliked, I put in the trash can, those I liked.. I bought. Much like the old samples here, especially for prog, there is SO much out there, and even though I make a nice living... I'm married and my wife won't let me go THAT crazy hahaha. The samples are a means to an end.. to find what I like so I can buy it. I'm a bit of old school that if I want an album... I have to have it on my shelves. The moral in my worldview is.... Want to sell records... be creative and do something different that people will want to hear. Just my two cents. Edited by micky |
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cobb
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 17:36 |
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And some more thoughts.
The music industry has lost control of their product - music. Their monopoly on controlling the direction of the music charts is disappearing because of the internet. This frightens them more than P2P, I think. New bands, and even old bands, cannot but take notice of marketing models such as that of bands like Marillion. You don't need a contract with Sony to have a successful career anymore- you can form your own company and do it all yourself. This in itself should make the industry very afraid. Controlling P2P is just the first step in controlling the internet. It's not about losing money, it's about losing control. Has anybody taken any notice of the conglomerates huddling together, planning new DRM strategies. In 5 years time, your computer will not be owned by you.... |
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cobb
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 17:18 |
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The music industry always tries to convert downloading figures into their loss. However, the logic in this is flawed. They assume every downloaded song would have been purchased if P2P wasn't there! Why does this seem a logical conclusion? It doesn't to me. My guess (and I state guess) would be more like 10% (at most) of downloads would have been purchased... And, yes, I realise this is still a significant figure, but the industry has always been plagued with illegal copying in one form or another. The difference today- they can actually see and measure the illegal activity.
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cuncuna
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Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
Posted: January 30 2006 at 17:12 |
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I think the problem here is the way people is trying to keep the music industry alive. That is, sticking to a model that has already failed. If you ask me, musicians should start looking for an alternate solution to this, because, as someone has already pointed out here, almost anybody buys music when there's a chance to have the same music for free. Forget about art cover and stuff like that, free is free. As I see it, there is no solution to this.
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mjf85maf
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Joined: April 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Posted: January 30 2006 at 16:26 |
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In the early (free) days of Napster, I made it a point to only download music that was unavailable for purchase. If (to my knowledge) it bacame available, I've always made a point to purchase, because I believe the artist does deserve to get paid.
Regarding the problem with the younger generation, you may be on to something there. My neices and nephews aren't prone to shoplifting but don't seem to have the same inhibition or moral objection with regard to illegal downloading. I must say, they would if they were my kids ... they've had enough of my bitching about it that not one of them will bring it up around me.
I spent 12 years in music retail, and jumped when things started to get bad ... back in 2000. But in my view, the music industry has created a lot of their own problems and most of them aren't related to downloading. How many times has the next big thing come around, only to followed by sound-alike bands with ever-diminishing levels of talent? What about the payola? My neices and nephews look at me with an absolutely blank stare when I try to explain that a lot of music that gets played on the radio stations they prefer is bought and paid for by the labels. They think I'm some kind of geezer conspiracy freak.
I enjoy a wide variety of music, and it's a shame that a lot of the older music that I like is difficult of impossible to find on CD. I know that it's not financially sound to just throw the vaults open and start pressing discs. but with music in general and prog in particular, it can be spectacularly difficult to find some music. I spend around $50 a week on music, but I really feel as though I'm not able to buy a lot of stuff I really want. The majors (and the indies, in a way) are so focused on a younger demographic that my money doesn't speak to them. And most bricks and mortar retailers are very careful about what they stock, because if it ain't sellin' it's taking up space. I've been doing a lot of on-line buying, but even when I find an obscure piece I want, there are quite a few instances where it's listed on their site but not in stock, and I face an endless cycle of backordering. Most recently, for example, I tried to purchase "Strange Behaviour" by Karnataka. I placed the order in August. It's still on backorder.
I see I've gotten pretty far afield here. but I guess my point is this ... I'm not in favor of illegal downloading, but when I hear the problems of the music industry blamed largely on downloading, I see an industry looking to lay the blame elsewhere... |
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ken4musiq
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Joined: January 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 446 |
Posted: January 30 2006 at 13:50 |
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I am torn about downloading; My feeling is that there is so much music out there, people cannot buy it all. As a musician I think it is great that people can access music for free, especially young children who could down load Bob Marley and the Beatles, etc and be exposed to some good music. But it is up to people to take the responsibility to support the bands and artists that they like. Such has always been the case. Music is not a profitable art. Hayden, Wagner and Stavinsky all had patrons who payed for the music so others could hear it free or at low cost. Of course, the cultures were different then. What really irks me is that people think music should be free. I have many computer geek friends who are making in the six figures and download music for free. They rarely buy CDs. I buy 2-3 CDs a week at an avertage cost of about 13.00 each and as a musician I make about a tenth of what they do. But downloaded music sounds like crap anyway. |
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 13:50 |
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Downloading is all right when you use it to discover music. If you download something you like, then you should buy the album. I used to do that, but now I use other sources to hear new music that don't require me to illegally download anything. There have been only a small number of instances where I haven't been able to find certain albums to buy, so I have resorted to downloading them until I can find real copies. Also, as far as legal downloading goes, I would much rather own the albums, with the artwork, booklets, etc. than just having files on my computer and/or a burned disc. |
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W.Chuck
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 13:48 |
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Fortunately you can purchase mp3's cheap in the internet...can't believe that an album costs about 20 $... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 30 2006 at 13:43 |
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Do you even know Napster? Edit: Actually I agree with most of what you're saying about the illegal downloading ... but the better part of the previous page of this thread was discussing *legal* downloads. Edited by MikeEnRegalia |
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Moatilliatta wrote:
(bit like The Marillion Principle)
Ever since I've had the internet,I've discovered at least 10 bands that I've fallen in love with,and bought "ALMOST" all of their albums because of my exposure to them by P2P.