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    Posted: February 07 2007 at 07:43
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I purchased this book after re-reading Graham Bennett's Out Bloody Rageous. Amazon.UK were doing  a price reduction on Acquiring The Taste, but even at 14 quid I feel I've been short changed. And my reasons for stating this:  in part it is the quality of writing and research that Graham Bennett provides in the Machine biography, that show up the weaknesses and what is lacking in Stump's book's. I suppose this is not helped by SAF Publishing  issuing  both Acquiring The Taste and Out Bloody Rageous in hardback form, each at 20 quid RRP, and within a few month of each other. OBR is over twice the length and appears to be significantly more thoroughly researched and detailed. The quality of analysis Bennett offers (because I think he talked to far more people in his research) is much superior: here 'analysis' means interpretation of the music, the interaction of members of various Machine line-ups, why line-ups came and went, etc.. I don't get a fraction of that from Stump, if any at all. I'm afraid - but with the danger of being accused of being very biassed anyway - that to me,  Stump's book rates about the level of Chris Welch's Yes biography and is nowhere as good as Sid Smith's In The Court King Crimson, and note:  Smith sees OBR as the target rock and other music biographer should aim for in the future.


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Point well taken. It never occurred to me to draw such comparison.
Bennett and Sid Smith wrote their respective books with passion and love. Stump lacks both. To his credit, he ploughs through tons of information and compiles it thoroughly, but he does not like the band and does not understand their music. Here’s a quote from his previous book, “Ponderous upstarts, without a good tune between them – that’s how history views Gentle Giant” (The Music‘s All That Matters, p. 101). Care to guess why not one member of the band granted an interview?

 
Paul Stump actually suggested a few months ago I read his McLaughlin biography Go Ahead John (also SAF Press). I hope Paul will forgive me for continuing a comparative criticism with Acquiring The Taste, but Go Ahead John immediately grabbed me, being written in a style with evident enthusiasm that makes it rather a page turner. It is clear Paul is a real fan and understander of McLaughlin's music and gets a lot of this across - it has provided me with several new insights. To some extent collaboration of McLaughlin himself provides Paul (and hence the reader), with some valuable insights without pulling the punches, for instance to the trails and tribulations of session work in the 60's, while evolving as an innovative jazz musician and the move to international recognition very early the 70's.
 
One message to a biographer-in-waiting (like me!!), is to pick a subject you have enthusiasm, knowledge and better still access to ask lots of probing questions. Where Graham Bennett got criticised in the press, was the period of Soft Machine he was less keen on - compounded by the unavailability of key players (pun in there) for interview. Graham might be producing a second edition asa paperback of Out-Bloody-Rageous, and tells me he'll try to address some of those criticisms
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2006 at 20:54
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I purchased this book after re-reading Graham Bennett's Out Bloody Rageous. Amazon.UK were doing  a price reduction on Acquiring The Taste, but even at 14 quid I feel I've been short changed. And my reasons for stating this:  in part it is the quality of writing and research that Graham Bennett provides in the Machine biography, that show up the weaknesses and what is lacking in Stump's book's. I suppose this is not helped by SAF Publishing  issuing  both Acquiring The Taste and Out Bloody Rageous in hardback form, each at 20 quid RRP, and within a few month of each other. OBR is over twice the length and appears to be significantly more thoroughly researched and detailed. The quality of analysis Bennett offers (because I think he talked to far more people in his research) is much superior: here 'analysis' means interpretation of the music, the interaction of members of various Machine line-ups, why line-ups came and went, etc.. I don't get a fraction of that from Stump, if any at all. I'm afraid - but with the danger of being accused of being very biassed anyway - that to me,  Stump's book rates about the level of Chris Welch's Yes biography and is nowhere as good as Sid Smith's In The Court King Crimson, and note:  Smith sees OBR as the target rock and other music biographer should aim for in the future.


For other comments - see the Out Bloody Rageous thread in this book review section.


 


    

Dick,

Point well taken. It never occurred to me to draw such comparison.
Bennett and Sid Smith wrote their respective books with passion and love. Stump lacks both. To his credit, he ploughs through tons of information and compiles it thoroughly, but he does not like the band and does not understand their music. Here’s a quote from his previous book, “Ponderous upstarts, without a good tune between them – that’s how history views Gentle Giant” (The Music‘s All That Matters, p. 101). Care to guess why not one member of the band granted an interview?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2006 at 12:59

I purchased this book after re-reading Graham Bennett's Out Bloody Rageous. Amazon.UK were doing  a price reduction on Acquiring The Taste, but even at 14 quid I feel I've been short changed. And my reasons for stating this:  in part it is the quality of writing and research that Graham Bennett provides in the Machine biography, that show up the weaknesses and what is lacking in Stump's book's. I suppose this is not helped by SAF Publishing  issuing  both Acquiring The Taste and Out Bloody Rageous in hardback form, each at 20 quid RRP, and within a few month of each other. OBR is over twice the length and appears to be significantly more thoroughly researched and detailed. The quality of analysis Bennett offers (because I think he talked to far more people in his research) is much superior: here 'analysis' means interpretation of the music, the interaction of members of various Machine line-ups, why line-ups came and went, etc.. I don't get a fraction of that from Stump, if any at all. I'm afraid - but with the danger of being accused of being very biassed anyway - that to me,  Stump's book rates about the level of Chris Welch's Yes biography and is nowhere as good as Sid Smith's In The Court King Crimson, and note:  Smith sees OBR as the target rock and other music biographer should aim for in the future.

For other comments - see the Out Bloody Rageous thread in this book review section.

 



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Acquiring The Taste – Gentle Giant – by Paul Stump –

SAF Publishing
ISBN: 0 946719 35 7  Hardback
Publication: May 2005
224 pages (illustrated)
Price UK £16.99 US $24.95                                                    

Quite difficult a hunt for this book, even if I found Out Bloody Rageous from the same SAF publisher quite easily, I finally got hold oof it and I fell upon it by chance. I was waiting to find this book before re-examining one of the most complex progressive group ever, but I was a little wary of its author, for I had not appreciated his previous book, The Music Is All That Matters. But my fears were unfounded (actually which writer would not want to make a thorough search for a group if he was to denigrate them?) and this book proved essential at my re-appreciation of GG’s complex oeuvre and I re-wrote all of my GG reviews in the wake of finishing this book.

The book proves an essential reading for all confirmed fans, but also for more casual fans and could eventually serve as a reference and a furthering deepening tool into the exploration of the Gigantic musical universe, but might be too much for an introduction to the band. The book traces the Shulman brother’s career to the earliest and spends a chapter or two speaking of Simon Dupree And The Big Sound, before reaching the beef of the book: the GG recording career. A helpful side of this book is that Stump spends some time over every track they recorded and in some case manages to describe partly the music, casting sometimes a new light on some tracks that had gone unnoticed by this writer/reviewer.

One of the most enjoyable side of Stump’s book is his insight and general Rock culture, and small facts, background explanations on the general political, socio-cultural, economic situation of the 70’s and its effect on the “progressive rock” phenomena. Some of you might remember the two threads I created by printing short excerpts of his book for discussion. However unlike a lot of these rock books, there are way too few stories, anecdotes, prank-telling moments, as GG’s members did not seem to be major party animals. Do not look for juicy tales or tickly anecdotes, just an insightful, thoughtful story, extremely well written. Unlike many of those books retracing a group’s career, this is a professional writer (implicating a clear, concise writing style) but passionate enough to defend the band almost to a fanboy’s level (the key word being almost). Another excellent facet of the book is the explanation of the lack of major popular success that eluded the band throughout its entire career, some of it because of wrong management decisions on touring, some others depicting poor recording/production label partnership and most of the time, an unwillingness to promote the albums correctly (but the bad decisions were coming from both sides).

My only gripe is that outside of the afore-mentioned historical asides made by Paul Stump, the book is a bit tedious in its format, mentioning the recording sessions and the promotion tours, but by the time we get to the later (and less progressive) albums, the repetition of this formula is not only a bit too foreseeable, but I had almost lost interest after the Interview album. 

An essential, well researched book, about one of the major groups of the classic era of prog rock. Run for it!!!!!!



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