omar rodriguez

FragileDT wrote: Tholomyes wrote: FragileDT wrote: Tholomyes wrote: FragileDT wrote: I love Omar Rodriguez's style for what it is. His style of playing reminds me a lot of Fripp except that I feel Fripp is a much more versatile player. Fripp can play the randomness style of Omar (though not jamming, he knows why he's playing each note and in what key the notes correspond.) Fripp can also play melody in major keys very well (Perfect example: Starless.) Fripp can also play blues VERY well and can play a very impressive blues solo (see Peter Gabriel 1: Waiting for the Big One.) Omar is a great guitarist and could even be very versatile but just holds off on playing those styles to maintain the style and sound of TMV. So i recommed his A Manual Dexterity Vol I. where he experiments with acoustic guitars, afrocuban styles, soundscapes and many more. That's good to hear. I'm definitely going to check that out one of these days. I like Omar's playing a lot so I'm sure I would like to hear other styles and see how he manages them. But there are 3 tracks aprox. that are only noise, improv and soundscape. Then the last track Cedric sings and you could say it's a mars volta song, but not.   So are there only 4 tracks on the album?

No.

There are 10 tracks, and only 3 aprox of them are a mix of improv, noise, etc. The 10th track is where Cedric sings, because the rest is without vocals.

 

Rashikal wrote: yeah i meant that those are the genres he plays in, not that he has mastered them. nice spirit of radio quote btw

Yeah I wasn't sure what you meant.

As for the Spirit of Radio quote: Thanks, I love the lyrics to Spirit of Radio
and think that quote can be applied to most music that is heard on the
radio. It's why I like it so much.

yeah i meant that those are the genres he plays in, not that he has mastered them.

nice spirit of radio quote btw

latin salsa folk blues hard rock jam  pshycadellic seems like a versatile guitarist to me 

FragileDT wrote: I love Omar Rodriguez's style for what it is. His style of playing reminds me a lot of Fripp except that I feel Fripp is a much more versatile player. Fripp can play the randomness style of Omar (though not jamming, he knows why he's playing each note and in what key the notes correspond.) Fripp can also play melody in major keys very well (Perfect example: Starless.) Fripp can also play blues VERY well and can play a very impressive blues solo (see Peter Gabriel 1: Waiting for the Big One.) Omar is a great guitarist and could even be very versatile but just holds off on playing those styles to maintain the style and sound of TMV.

So i recommed his A Manual Dexterity Vol I. where he experiments with acoustic guitars, afrocuban styles, soundscapes and many more.

well since there ARE no other bands to put them in their place, or none that could, shouldnt we give them props for trying something new? i say yes. i dont know many other modern musicians who would even try to do the stuff that the mars volta does, not technically, but all around. other jam bands sure, but can jam bands make concept albums with a 20 page story behind it? doubtful. 

70sSoundquality wrote: Im just on a negative trail today. I will be as neat and clean about this as possible. The reason why Omar's guitar playing bothers me is because he doesn't have technique. As mainly a guitar player and a keyboard player, I know what it means to be able to solo well and to ALWAYS have licks up my sleeve, licks that ABSOLUTELY fit, and to be able to have these licks at any given time- no matter what set of notes a bassist throws to me. I do not feel safe with omar, I do not feel that he could keep up with disciplined musicians so I agree with the "nothing special" opinion.

ok, after reading this, i have to post again. sigh...
i am 16 years old (not that it matters) and i have a pretty large group of
friends, some of them that don't hang out with the others, but we all are
friends because of mainly one subject; music.
we don't play in the school band or anything we play on our own merits
and our own terms. we jam alot. A LOT. it is seriously like going to my
friends house with my other friend, i grab my geetar, my friend grabs his,
another grabs the bass and the 4th grabs the drum sticks and literally,
the first riff played, or rythym, or whatever, starts us on our jam. we are
constantly learning from each other and playing off of each other. we
experiment with delay pedal on the recording (delaying the drums and
guitar) and with crazy effects all the time...highly influenced from omar.
now when someone says that they don't like omar, i can understand.
weird music to say the least. because he plays sloppy, well yeah i
suppose but that's his style, i suppose that could turn you off. but when
you say that you don't feel safe with him because he doesn't have a bag
of tricks ready to throw out cuz he's knows sounds good is just a
complete sheer example of closed mindeness and ignorance.
he likes to experiment, to grow. would you call john fruiscante an
undisciplined musician? would you call any of the mars volta
undisciplined musicians? they are all VERY accomplished muscicians. i
remember reading an interview with omar where he said their practice is
basically 5 or 6 hours of jamming sometimes. do you think he would be
content having a hundred licks and reusing them over and over again
because he knows they sound good? whats the point? sure he'll resuse
stuff because it fits, but wheres the PROGRESSION? sorry but your
reply bothered me a little because its a bit...non progressive. for me at
least. i view progressive...well i already said it in an earlier post in this
string. i could be totally wrong, this is just the vibe i was getting from
you, that you kind hang around the same thing...i could be wrong. let me
know if i am. but in the meantime, oooopppeeenn your mind. or don't
listen to me, either one works.

Tholomyes wrote: Manunkind wrote: Tholomyes wrote: Petrucci can have all the techniques in the world but there's a thing he doesn't have: Feeling. And Omar has it all the time he plays at every concert.   Ah yes, there's that subjective term again, worn meaningless from overuse.  really subjective... but yes! ...but Omar still has that worn term in his veins.

This is a thread on Omar, so I'm just going to say this - try to play a Petrucci solo, even a fast one, while having your muscles stiff (a prerequisite for 'emotionless' playing, as far as I understand) and doing your best to focus on nailing the solo. Good luck. Then try to play the same solo relaxed and not thinking of anything in particular. You'll get closer, but this is still not going to be it. 

As for Omar - not to dis him (I love his playing), but is he doing something really new? On the whole, his approach seems quite similar to 60/70s' psychadelic bands. Even the accusations of the opponents are similar - 'meandering', 'random cr*p' etc..

omar's guitar style i think combines the punk "just have fun" aspects with prog technical aspects of "how technical can i make this?"

its something new, and i enjoy it

Petrucci can have all the techniques in the world but there's a thing he doesn't have: Feeling. And Omar has it all the time he plays at every concert.

 

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