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Think about it, what does Gates of Delerium achieve that Saucer Full of Secrets doesnt in half the time, and far more effectively?

Each to his own - I find Saucerful of Secrets rather empty and boring. Gates of Delirium however, is exciting, edgy and threatening, and still sounds so after 30 years. For me it depicts all the horrors of a modern or even futuristic war; the build-up, the conflict itself, then the aftermath.

Saucerful in contrast is just a lot of repetitive drumming. Sorry but that's what it sounds like to me. It's my least favourite track from Floyd's entire output (Seamus included!).

Oh - and I'm also a HUGE fan of Hatfield AND Soft Machine! It just goes to show that everybody's tastes are different, when taken as a whole.

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Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

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Personally, I think "Drama" has to be included in the top 3 Yes albums. True, Trevor Horn is no Jon Anderson, but he handles the albums' material very well. Writing, composition and musicianship are all superb on "Drama". It seems to me to be an extremely underrated album. Your thoughts?

Good Choice! I'm not sure whether or not it would fit in my top3, but its certainly better than Relayer, on par with The Yes Album and is definatley the last good thing Yes ever did. Trevor Horn's vocals are no weaker than Jons and at certain times his lack of a yorkshire accent works in his favour. Geoff Downes is a superb keyboardist, bringing in Fairlights and Prophets to Yes' synth collection. He is deffinatley the only keyboadist in Yes who comes close to matching Wakeman's playing. All in all, Yes fans should get a copy of this one... theyll be pleasantly supprised.

Drama, is certaintly NOT better than Relayer, that's not opinion, that's just fact

Great album though that deserves a lot of respect, I love Drama now

nest hour. Then, i got older and my mind developed and i started to listen to good bands like

Well its my opinion. Listen to Gates of Delirium and Machine Messiah in quick succession. one is a complete mess and the other is a well structured, thoughtfull, instumentally coherant, nice song without Pat-bloody-moraz.

Why would you say Gates of Delrium has no structure, it does! and it's VERY well thought out, hence why they can recreate it so well live!!! They can almost do it note from note! It's pretty dam spactacular, so much power in that piece. The feeble minded (no offence) may not be able to get their slow working brains around it, but for those who can keep up with its intense rhythm and energy, well then, its just perfect.

Right, i dont have a feeble mind, nor is it slow. Once i loved Gates of Delerium. In fact i thought Relayer was one of Prog's finest hour. Then i became older and wiser and started to listen to good bands like Hatfield and the North and Soft Machine and i realised how boring, unneccessary and overblown relayer was and only has one good song in the form of To Be Over. Think about it, what does Gates of Delerium achieve that Saucer Full of Secrets doesnt in half the time, and far more effectively?

Finally, in response to another comment, yes, Going For the One is the band's finest hour.   
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No i wouldnt say best. ALthough it is surprisingly good. Very underrated if nothing eles. I enjoy it very much, but not enough for it to beat Relayer, Fragile, The Yes Album...etc.
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It's so 80s!  yeah, it's just not the same without jon Anderson. I don't like it much.

1.Close to the Edge

2.Time and a Word

3. Tales from Topographic

4. Relayer

5. The Yes Album

 
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I will certainly stick up for Drama. I remember it didn't go down well when it was first released (some fans called it the "Yeggles album"), but I think it's stood the test of time. Okay, "Man in a white car" is forgettable, but it only lasts a minute or so, so why worry about it? I regard it as a useful bridge between two comparitively powerful songs. I love the unusual syncopation on "Does it Really Happen"; that makes the whole album for me. And "Tempus Fugit" is a great song to end a Yes album on.

I haven't reviewed it but if I did I would give it 4 stars.

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Nah, it's nowhere near Yes' best album for me. It has a few filler songs ('Man In A White Car', 'Run Through The Light') and for me 'Machine Messiah' towers over the rest of the album. The other songs are very good, but hardly up there with the likes of 'Awaken'...
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

easy one this is Drama the best Yes album?

errr...... NO!!!    

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Wow. I'd agree that maybe Drama gets a bit of a bad rap, as it's not _terrible_...

but best Yes album? Not by a long shot.

As an aside, I actually just got a copy of Drama recently, and it included quite a few "bonus tracks", which consisted mostly of demo versions of the same songs that made the cut. This was vaguely interesting for a very short time, but quickly bored me to tears, and I found myself skipping track after track.
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I personally love the overall energy and the strangely "futuristic" sound of DRAMA.

The approach is comparable to that of the epics on THE YES ALBUM... only with a heavier, more modernized sound.

 

I don't care if Jon Anderson is on the album or not... I just listen to the final product.

Jon Anderson doesn't sing on the Squire's FISH OUT OF WATER album... but I love that album too!

I don't go by the moniker on the label.  If the music is good-- then it's good.

 

Fine.

If it's not a good YES album, then it's the best NON-YES album I own !!

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What do you think of such thought: do you think that if you have replaced Trevor Horn in "In The Lens" you would have gotten something in the vein of UK - I mean the rhythm and virtuosity in this song is just crazy!!



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Drama is in no way shape or form better than Going for the One IMO
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Good album, better than Going for the One and any later Yes album, but not remotely a top 3 IMO.

Iván

I completely agree!!!
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easy one this is Drama the best Yes album?

errr...... NO!!!    

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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by Froth Froth wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by Froth Froth wrote:

Originally posted by snowdogx1 snowdogx1 wrote:

Personally, I think "Drama" has to be included in the top 3 Yes albums. True, Trevor Horn is no Jon Anderson, but he handles the albums' material very well. Writing, composition and musicianship are all superb on "Drama". It seems to me to be an extremely underrated album. Your thoughts?

Good Choice! I'm not sure whether or not it would fit in my top3, but its certainly better than Relayer, on par with The Yes Album and is definatley the last good thing Yes ever did. Trevor Horn's vocals are no weaker than Jons and at certain times his lack of a yorkshire accent works in his favour. Geoff Downes is a superb keyboardist, bringing in Fairlights and Prophets to Yes' synth collection. He is deffinatley the only keyboadist in Yes who comes close to matching Wakeman's playing. All in all, Yes fans should get a copy of this one... theyll be pleasantly supprised.

Drama, is certaintly NOT better than Relayer, that's not opinion, that's just fact

Great album though that deserves a lot of respect, I love Drama now

Well its my opinion. Listen to Gates of Delirium and Machine Messiah in quick succession. one is a complete mess and the other is a well structured, thoughtfull, instumentally coherant, nice song without Pat-bloody-moraz.

Why would you say Gates of Delrium has no structure, it does! and it's VERY well thought out, hence why they can recreate it so well live!!! They can almost do it note from note! It's pretty dam spactacular, so much power in that piece. The feeble minded (no offence) may not be able to get their slow working brains around it, but for those who can keep up with its intense rhythm and energy, well then, its just perfect.
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Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by Froth Froth wrote:

Originally posted by snowdogx1 snowdogx1 wrote:

Personally, I think "Drama" has to be included in the top 3 Yes albums. True, Trevor Horn is no Jon Anderson, but he handles the albums' material very well. Writing, composition and musicianship are all superb on "Drama". It seems to me to be an extremely underrated album. Your thoughts?

Good Choice! I'm not sure whether or not it would fit in my top3, but its certainly better than Relayer, on par with The Yes Album and is definatley the last good thing Yes ever did. Trevor Horn's vocals are no weaker than Jons and at certain times his lack of a yorkshire accent works in his favour. Geoff Downes is a superb keyboardist, bringing in Fairlights and Prophets to Yes' synth collection. He is deffinatley the only keyboadist in Yes who comes close to matching Wakeman's playing. All in all, Yes fans should get a copy of this one... theyll be pleasantly supprised.

Drama, is certaintly NOT better than Relayer, that's not opinion, that's just fact

Great album though that deserves a lot of respect, I love Drama now

Well its my opinion. Listen to Gates of Delirium and Machine Messiah in quick succession. one is a complete mess and the other is a well structured, thoughtfull, instumentally coherant, nice song without Pat-bloody-moraz.

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Originally posted by Froth Froth wrote:

Originally posted by snowdogx1 snowdogx1 wrote:

Personally, I think "Drama" has to be included in the top 3 Yes albums. True, Trevor Horn is no Jon Anderson, but he handles the albums' material very well. Writing, composition and musicianship are all superb on "Drama". It seems to me to be an extremely underrated album. Your thoughts?

Good Choice! I'm not sure whether or not it would fit in my top3, but its certainly better than Relayer, on par with The Yes Album and is definatley the last good thing Yes ever did. Trevor Horn's vocals are no weaker than Jons and at certain times his lack of a yorkshire accent works in his favour. Geoff Downes is a superb keyboardist, bringing in Fairlights and Prophets to Yes' synth collection. He is deffinatley the only keyboadist in Yes who comes close to matching Wakeman's playing. All in all, Yes fans should get a copy of this one... theyll be pleasantly supprised.

Drama, is certaintly NOT better than Relayer, that's not opinion, that's just fact

Great album though that deserves a lot of respect, I love Drama now

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Originally posted by snowdogx1 snowdogx1 wrote:

Personally, I think "Drama" has to be included in the top 3 Yes albums. True, Trevor Horn is no Jon Anderson, but he handles the albums' material very well. Writing, composition and musicianship are all superb on "Drama". It seems to me to be an extremely underrated album. Your thoughts?

Good Choice! I'm not sure whether or not it would fit in my top3, but its certainly better than Relayer, on par with The Yes Album and is definatley the last good thing Yes ever did. Trevor Horn's vocals are no weaker than Jons and at certain times his lack of a yorkshire accent works in his favour. Geoff Downes is a superb keyboardist, bringing in Fairlights and Prophets to Yes' synth collection. He is deffinatley the only keyboadist in Yes who comes close to matching Wakeman's playing. All in all, Yes fans should get a copy of this one... theyll be pleasantly supprised.
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Yesterday was the first time I heard Drama. I've listened to it nearly ten times since then!!! I could not be any happier with this album, it's excellent, great production, fresh sound, strong songs and the musicians all sound so alive, especially Howe, he finally decided to dig up a distortion pedal

It's a great album, and I am impressed with Horn AND Downes, Downes sometimes sounds like Wakeman I think. anyway a **** album

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Drama and Tormato are the two worst Yes albums. Best five are Yes Album, Close to the Edge, Fragile, Relayer and Yesstudio.
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