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    Posted: December 17 2005 at 19:07
Cant stand Peter Hammil's grating voice, but Pawn
Hearts, Still Life, H to he, and the Hammil solo Silent
Corner/Empty Stage are good albums.

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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 09:53
^^ agreed on that!! I once put it on a medley I created on my mp3... so it has great value to me...
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 06:43
Cat's Eye/Yellow Fever (Running) is a stunning track! IMO one of their best, even though not an "epic" one!
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 06:41
^^  enjoyable album,but nothing too great about it...
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 06:36

Does no one likes The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome? I do!!Wink
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  1. "Godbluff"
  2. "Pawn Hearts"
  3. "The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other"
  4. "H to He Who Am The Only One"
  5. "Present"

If you have enough money, buy "The Box" instead of the original albums. And if you want "live" VdGG, "Maida Vale" is a must. "Vital" is very good, but "Maida Vale" has more classics.
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Originally posted by SirPsycho388 SirPsycho388 wrote:

I'm trying to do the same thing, so I've decided
to start with "The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Eachother" because it
seems like its their first prog effort, and then with each album that
follows it, you will hear them improve and get proggier. It'll also be cool
to see their progress. If you just start with their most famous prog effort,
i think its Pawn Hearts, then you'll think the earlier ones suck. I did this
for Genesis, starting with Trespass and going in order from there. I would
have never liked Trespass or Nursery Cryme as much if i started right
away with Foxtrot or Selling England. Just my approach.



Good advice PsychoKiller.

When listening to Prog bands, it's nice to see a cronological "Progression".

The "core ID" of the band is usually established in the early records, and it
often a blast to "Take the journey" with the group thru the years.

Happy Holidays everybody!

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I'm trying to do the same thing, so I've decided to start with "The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Eachother" because it seems like its their first prog effort, and then with each album that follows it, you will hear them improve and get proggier. It'll also be cool to see their progress. If you just start with their most famous prog effort, i think its Pawn Hearts, then you'll think the earlier ones suck. I did this for Genesis, starting with Trespass and going in order from there. I would have never liked Trespass or Nursery Cryme as much if i started right away with Foxtrot or Selling England. Just my approach.

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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 20:19
Thanks BaldJean, that looks like a great solution... let me do the maths:

CD 1

Undercover Man (8:28)
Scorched Earth (10:07)
Refugees (6:01)
Every Bloody Emperor (7:36)
Lemmings (13:23)
(In The) Black Room (11:14)
Nutter Alert (6:10)

62:19

CD 2

Darkness (11/11) (7:28)
Masks (7:00)
Childlike Faith In Childhood's End (12:34)
The Sleepwalkers (10:44)
Man-Erg (14:23)
Killer (9:20)
Wondering (8:03)

68:52

Yes, that would certainly work.  These are rough estimates on timings mind, I am sure tracks will segue at different times, due to crowd clapping and cheering, on the official release.

So no room for any odd tracks from other performances, which is actually good actually, it keeps the RFH gig as a whole.

Now waits patiently... taps fingers...
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 18:52

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Thanks BandJean for the update on the RFH concert CD.  I heard it was coming out this month, but I've not even seen a mention of it anywhere..., let's hope it doesn't get like Pulse and just keep getting delayed.

It doesn't erk me too much mind, as I have the concert on bootleg, but I do want it officially.  Besides, my stereo will not play FLAC recordings.  Let's hope it's hear by January, it's on the top of my wants list.

BaldJean, do yiou have any idea if it'll be a single CD or more?  The whole concert, with no breaks won't fit it on 1 CD and I am really hoping they don't cut too much.  Maybe if they make it a two cd album, they can fit other material on it as well?

Some news on this would be much appreciated.

as far ais I know, it will be a double CD with all 14 songs. probably like this:

CD 1:

Undercover Man
Scorched Earth
Refugees
Every Bloody Emperor
Lemmings
(In The) Black Room
Nutter Alert

CD 2:

Darkness (11/11)
Masks
Childlike Faith in Childhood's End
The Sleepwalkers
Man-erg
Killer
Wondering


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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 18:47
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Don't buy "Vital". Horrible.

Wow. Not A little Harsh? I've Heard Good Things About It. Think It Was Uncut That Gave It 4 Stars...

5 stars for "Vital". one of the best live albums of all time. anyone who doesn't like it has not really listened to it. Nic Potter's bass is a monster, and the album really rocks. the sound quality is not the best, but the music is absolutely fantastic


A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Points: 165 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 18:44

So go for :

  1. "Godbluff"
  2. "Still life"
  3. "H to he..."

because it's harder to get into "Pawn hearts"
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Thank you



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Points: 165 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 18:31

Maida Vale (The BBC Radio One Sessions) is a good choice to start
it's live and there's

one track from "The least we can do"
one track from "Pawn hearts"
two tracks from "Godbluff"
two tracks from "Still life"
two tracks from "World record"

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=1429
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Points: 1140 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 18:16
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

Godbluff blew me away. Great album. H to He is great as well.

Pawn Hearts is sometimes a bit too much for me, or am I getting old...

'Senior Member'?? Does that mean 'Senior Citizen'??  



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Godbluff blew me away. Great album. H to He is great as well.

Pawn Hearts is sometimes a bit too much for me, or am I getting old...
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Points: 220 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:35
start with h to he, godbluff or pawn hearts. first album aerosol grey.. is maybe their weakest. also dont start with present, it's a good album but not as good as the early works
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:12

I like their "Godbluff" album most. Maybe most accesible album from them, not much of cacophony or very avantagarde solutions in it.

By the way, I think asking recommendations for VdGG is a very popular subject for a thread on this site!  Not critisising about it, but just pointing out an obesrvation.
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Pawn Hearts or H to He, then get Godbluff. The rest is up to you.
RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 13:43
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

EVERYTHING!


But Pawn hearts,Godbluff and H to he who am the only one is not a bad start



Maidenrulez got there before me with Pawn Hearts
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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