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goose
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Topic: is youth losing its roots? Posted: December 15 2005 at 07:53 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
There is surely a difference between making mainstream music and being popular...the mars volta makes music as complex as vdgg and gg...they just make the music better...and therebofore they are more popular  |
Not really... mainstream is just anything that isn't underground. I'm pretty sure you can get TMV CDs in normal high street shops (not just CD shops). As soon as a band becomes popular, it's mainstream, whether or not if it's trying to. If it's trying to, I guess it's pop, or something like that.
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Badabec
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 16:54 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
There is surely a difference between making
mainstream music and being popular...the mars volta makes music as
complex as vdgg and gg...they just make the music better...and
therebofore they are more popular  |
I don't agree with you. There is nothing better than Gentle Giant  .
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Badabec
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 16:52 |
I'm born in 1989 and I got three people into prog by playing Gentle
Giant. Guess there are enough people in my age out there who would like
prog if they knew it but they have never heard about such a kind of
music. So it is not surprising that most of the people in my age listen to
such non-essential stuff like Green Day, The Offspring or Blink182  .
But to the people in my age: We can change that. Just give some friends
of yours prog-cd's and for sure some of them will like it.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 16:03 |
Call it Art Rock, better description and people will probably know what you mean.
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aapatsos
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 15:52 |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 15:43 |
There is surely a difference between making mainstream music and being popular...the mars volta makes music as complex as vdgg and gg...they just make the music better...and therebofore they are more popular
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Suki
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 13:49 |
I disagree. I think people who SHOULD know about prog will know in due time. There is no hurry. Though, I hate when people are using prog definitions to describe their music, when actually they know next to nothing about the genre itself, but using its name because of its coolness. If you thought 'Prog' is not cool, then think again. I've got a friend who plays in a band and is the main composer (main and only, actually), he is influenced by Dream Theater and Marillion and Symphony X (well.. I gotta admit, SymX was my doing.. :) ) . Anyways, so he's composing songs with 5 'variations' or something like that and tells everyone its a prog song and that currently he plays progressive, which is driving me crazy. So you see, I can barely define prog myself, as I'm quite amateur (1 year) and he knows next to nothing about musical properties of the genre, yet he seems himself as a Progressive composer. He is quite obssed, because composing something complex is cool. So you can also see the danger of prog becoming mainstream..
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goose
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 04:42 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
THE MARS VOLTA IS NOT MAKING MAINSTREAM MUSIC! |
If I remember rightly, they got in the top 40 in the US. That's undeniably mainstream!
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Norbert
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Posted: December 14 2005 at 04:17 |
Geck0 wrote:
But I'm 25... oh well. |
... and I'm already 26.
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alterpower
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 22:09 |
Hi, I'm new, i just made this account but i've been visiting this site often
for the past month or so, and its really the best place for any youth to
experience prog, old and new. I'm 19 and I previously considered myself
adept in music, i had been listening to all the "cool" and "underground"
bands of today and previous years and that included bands like The Mars
Volta, Coheed & Cambria, and Dredg (with Pink Floyd lightly scattered in
the mix), to name a few of the proggers. But when i stumbled upon this
site it made me realize i had much to learn, and i decided to start at the
beginning, In The Court of the Crimson King. and boy, that album blew
me away and since then i've really enjoyed older prog much more.
but anyways on topic. Yeah 99% of the teens i know are into the modern
fads of emo, and hardcore music, which i must say some of it does appeal
to me, and i do buy these albums, haha. but yeah none of them listen to
prog, the cloesest thing, but they always consider themselves music
adept as i had those many years ago.
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Oh I don't know [incert activity] but I did listen to a prog album last night.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 21:44 |
But I'm 25... oh well.
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FishyMonkey
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 21:21 |
Let's make a club, guys. The, "We're under 16 and listen to prog" group.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 21:16 |
Actually, my friend likes Tool and doubt he'll even give King Crimson a
go, trust me, I know he won't like them. Maybe he may like the
'80s and '90s stuff better, but I've yet to hear that myself. He
certainly will hate Lizard!
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NutterAlert
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 04:42 |
Please don't shout Maja
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 04:37 |
THE MARS VOLTA IS NOT MAKING MAINSTREAM MUSIC!
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NutterAlert
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 03:47 |
Thinking about it, although I am now an old fart, I consider myself lucky to have grown up through the prog/glam and latterly the punk years.
My kids today listen to M&M (oops eminem), Dizzy Rascal, Green Day, & other easily accessible artists.
When I was their age you could hear a clip of ELP KE9 as opening music for BBC radio 4 science program, Allan Freeman was on Radio 1 Sat afternoon playing prog, John Peel was on each evening playing decent stuff (although he changed...), The Old grey whistle test had some superb sessions. An ELP film was played one xmas showing them on their BSS world tour on BBC1. None of this happens today.
I've said it on this forum before but I have a lot of respect for the younger members who have managed to navigate their way through all the dross that's out there and find prog.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 03:41 |
Progressive music is out there, you just can't call it prog. lots of kids are listening to Tool, TMV and Radiohead among others. the leap from liking those bands to being a full-time progressive music fan isn't that difficult. if you have a friend who's into Tool, tell them to check out a King Crimson record.
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Norbert
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Posted: December 13 2005 at 03:09 |
I hardly find people around me who know what is progressive rock.
They only know Another Brick in the Wall.
Some people think that I listen to some kind of brutal music, when I mention progressive rock!
Dream Theater is relatively well known, but usually among readers of metal magazines.
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The Ryan
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 22:52 |
Rosescar wrote:
I noticed that the people who do not know prog either are girls, unintelligent, or just don't listen to music at all. People who appreciate prog (or atleast weren't satisfied by today's music) usually are either quite intelligent, or had musical education. There's one exception, but the guy's all pretentious - he thinks he's really cool listening to rebellious, underground music like Greenday.
The one thing that might be bad about prog being underground is that people will think you're pretentious and an attention-seeker. The people I'd expect to say this usually are acting all cool when singing along to their bullsh*t music.
But yeah, it does seem that prog is getting quite popular with the current generation, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if a prog band would become mainstream.
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Like Mars Volta, Radiohead. <-These two are huge. "Muse" and "Tool" (Prog? Yeah... whatever kids) It already happened is my point..
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The Ryan
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 22:42 |
I don't know anyone my age that's into prog (I'm in high school still) and never have even though 80-85% of what I listen to is prog-related. Only semi-prog bands like The Who and Pink Floyd for example, are mentioned among people my age on the topic of prog-rock. Maybe even Deep Purple, but none of the classics on the top 100. Not even Dream Theater, even though some kids know about DT, they are not enough. These kids are behind me, I listened to Dream Theater for the first time probably at age 9 or earlier, and experienced the progressive scene at about 13-14.
I guess I am rare in the sense that in my family I am the first to buy (or even hear) a progressive album. Though my grandfather, oldest brother, father, and mother all enjoy(ed) Yes on the radio, they all managed to avoid the genre itself?! I am the pioneer for prog, nobody pressed the genre on me, especially not my parents. Some people just realize Eminem and Mariah Carey aren't worthwhile and look for something better. For me, it's Yes, Pink Floyd, Dream Theater, and co.
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