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    Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:15
For more information about italian prog look at this site : www.italianprog.it
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I have heard 60-70% of all those you list. Just looking for specific mostly instrumental prog for 70's italy that is as original and diverse as the ones I previously mentioned. If you know some specifically.

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Hello Andrew, you're really a great connoisseur of the italian progrock field!

What do you think about Riccardo Zappa?

What about the first three  Alan Sorrenti's (progrock) albums?

Meglio non abusare troppo dell'italiano, altrimenti poi gli altri non capiscono!
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This is a good poll ... and the three albums I've heard are all excellent ... T2, Comus and Tonton Macoute ...

I voted for T2 ... but even that was a tough choice ... now I'm even more keen to hear the others!
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Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

Andrew,

maybe you can help me looking for 70's instrument prog(sorry, but italian lyrics get in the way of the music for me).

Anyway Ill give you a list of the ones I know I like and see if you have others for suggestion. I have heard most of the releases by the artists I name, so only looking for new artists I havent heard.

Picchio dal Pozzo - debut, Il Volo - Essere, o non essere!, Sensations Fix - Portable Madness, Luciano Basso - Voci and Il Baricentro - Trusciant. 

thanks for the help!

DB

There are so many unknown bands!!! I'll give you some titles ; i listed some bands to ANDREA CORTESE above ; i'll add a few :

  • ERRATA CORRIGE - "SIEGFRIED, IL DRAGO E ALTRE STORIE" - 1976 - symph-prog
  • ESAGONO - "VICOLO" - 1976 - jazz-rock
  • EXPLOIT - "CRISI" - 1972 - symphonic-prog
  • FESTA MOBILE - "DIARIO DI VIAGGIO DELLA FESTA MOBILE" - 1973 - symphonic-prog
  • GARYBALDI - "NUDA" - 1972 - symphonic-prog with blues touches
  • GEN FUOCO - "DENTRO L'INVISIBILE" - 1979 - symphonic-prog
  • I GIGANTI - "TERRA IN BOCCA" - 1971 - symphonic-prog
  • I GOBLIN - "PROFONDO ROSSO" 1975 - "ROLLER"  1976 - "SUSPIRIA" 1977; they adapted their music to the movie industry, mainly horror movies;
  • HORUS - "STELLE DI BATTAGLIA" - 1978 - symphonic-prog
  • IBIS - "CANTI D'INNOCENZA, CANTI D'ESPERIENZA" (1973) - "SUN SUPREME" (1974) - "IBIS" 1975) - symphonic prog (NEW TROLLS)
  • JACULA - "TARDO PEDE IN MANGIAM VERSUS" 1972 - dark-prog
  • JET - "FEDE, SPERANZA, CARITA' " - 1972 - symphonic-prog
  • JUMBO - "JUMBO" (1972) - "DNA" (1972) - "VIETATO AI MINORI DI 18 ANNI ?" (1973) - symphonic-prog
  • LATTE E MIELE - PASSIO SECUNDUM MATTHEUM" (1972) - "PAPILLON" (1973 - "AQUILE E SCOIATTOLI" (1976) - symhonic-prog
  • LIBRA - "MUSICA E PAROLE" (1975) - symphonic-prog
  • LA LOCANDA DELLE FATE - "FORSE LE LUCCIOLE NON SI AMANO PIU' " (1977) - symphonic-prog
  • MAXOPHONE - "MAXOPHONE" (1975) - symphonic-prog
  • METAMORFOSI - "E FU IL SESTO GIORNO" (1972) - "INFERNO" (1972) - symphonic-prog
  • MO.DO - "LA SCIMMIA SULLA SCHIENA DEL RE" (1975) - symph-prog
  • IL MUCCHIO - "IL MUCCHIO" (1970) - symph-prog
  • I MURPLE - "IO SONO MURPLE" (1974) - symph-prog
  • MUSEO ROSENBACH - "ZARATHUSTRA" (1972) - symph-prog
  • NOVA - "BLINK" (1976) - jazz-rock
  • NUOVA IDEA - "IN THE BEGINNING" (1971) - "Mr. E. JONES" (1972) - "CLOWNS" (1973) - symph-prog
  • ODISSEA - "ODISSEA" (1973) - symph-prog
  • OPUS AVANTRA - "OPUS AVANTRA" (1974) - avantgarde-prog
  • OSAGE TRIBE - "ARROW HEAD" (1972) - symph-prog
  • OSANNA - "L'UOMO" (1971) - "PRELUDIO, TEMA, VARIAZIONI, CANZONA" (1972) - "PALEPOLI" (1973) - "LANDSCAPE OF LIFE" (1974) - symph-prog
  • IL PAESE DEI BALOCCHI - "IL PAESE DEI BALOCCHI" (1972) - symph-prog
  • PANNA FREDDA - "UNO" (1971) - symph-prog
  • PARADISO A BASSO PREZZO - "PARADISO A BASSO PREZZO" (1973) - symph-prog
  • LA PENTOLA DI PAPIN - "ZERO 7" (1977) - symph-prog
  • IL PERIGEO - "AZIMUT" (1972) - "ABBIAMO TUTTI UN BLUES DA PIANGERE" (1973) - "GENEALOGIA" (1974) - jazz-rock
  • PHOLAS DACTYLUS - "CONCERTO DELLE MENTI" (1973) - symph-prog
  • PIERROT LUNAIRE - "PIERROT LUNAIRE" (1974) - "GUDRUN" (1977) - soft-prog / avantgarde-prog
  • I PING PONG - "PING PONG" (1973) - jazz-rock
  • PLANETARIUM - "INFINITY" (1971) - electronic-prog
  • PROCESSION - "FRONTIERA" (1972) - "FIABA" (1974) - symph-prog
  • IL PUNTO - "ETTORE LO FUSTO" (1972) - symph-prog
  • SAINT JUST - "SAINT JUST" (1973) - "LA CASA DEL LAGO" (1974) - symph-prog
  • SAMADHI - "SAMADHI" (1974) - symph-prog
  • LA SECONDA GENESI - "TUTTO DEVE FINIRE" (1972) - symph-prog
  • IL SEGNO DELLO ZODIACO - "IL SEGNO DELLO ZODIACO" (1974) - "PARLAMI SOTTO LE STELLE" (1977) - symph-prog / pop-prog
  • I SIGNORI DELLA GALASSIA - "QUALCOSA SI CREA, NULLA SI DISTRUGGE" (1978) - electronic-prog / symph-prog
  • IL SISTEMA - "IL VIAGGIO SENZA ANDATA" (1971) - symph-prog
  • SLOGAN - "PHOTOSYNTHESIS" (1984) - symph-prog
  • LA SORGENTE - "TRASPARETE" (1981) - symphonic-prog
  • STATALE 17 / EMPHASIS - "STATALE 17" (1979) - symph-prog / electronic-prog 
  • I TEOREMI - "I TEOREMI" (1972) - (LED ZEPPELIN 's style)
  • TRIADE - "LA STORIA DI SABBAZIO" (1973) - symphonic-prog
  • THE TRIP - "THE TRIP" (1970) - "CARONTE" (1971) - "ATLANTIDE" (1972) - "TIME OF CHANGE" (1973) - symphonic-prog (ELP)
  • UT - "HOMO" (1974) - "LA STRADA ERA BELLA" (1976) - symphonic-prog
  • VENEGONI E CO. - "RUMORE ROSSO" (1977) - "SARABANDA" (1979) - jazz-rock (similar in style to ARTI E MESTIERI)
  • ZAUBER - "ZAUBER" (1978) - symphonic-prog

You can find the bands not listed here in this site.
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Originally posted by RoyalJelly RoyalJelly wrote:

      Wow, that's a lot of obscure progressive...can they really all
be masterpieces if they're that unknown? I don't know, but you
gotta love a band with three mellotron players in the line-up.
Did they really have three mellotrons? Sounds like a touring
nightmare.

     The only album there I know is Arzachel, but I think it's too
sketchy to qualify as a masterpiece. Check out Jan Hammer's
"The First Seven Days" (1975) for a true forgotten masterpiece.
Out of print for years, it just came out on CD very recently, and I
still find it the best multi-keyboard album ever made.

  • PAT MORAN / vocals, mellotron 
  • RAY MARTINEZ / guitars, mellotron
  • ADRIAN (BONE) MALONEY / bass guitar
  • PICK WITHERS / drums
  • KIPPS BROWN / piano, organ, mellotron

I recommend you to buy this album, it's a real lost gem!
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Curved Air - Metamorphosis  from the album "Air Cut"
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Originally posted by Tommy Tommy wrote:

never heard of any of them

me either

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only heard "fantasy--paint a picture" so that's where my vote went...
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Andrew,

maybe you can help me looking for 70's instrument prog(sorry, but italian lyrics get in the way of the music for me).

Anyway Ill give you a list of the ones I know I like and see if you have others for suggestion. I have heard most of the releases by the artists I name, so only looking for new artists I havent heard.

Picchio dal Pozzo - debut, Il Volo - Essere, o non essere!, Sensations Fix - Portable Madness, Luciano Basso - Voci and Il Baricentro - Trusciant. 

thanks for the help!

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My vote goes to the Arzachel album. Especially the 2nd side (of the vinyl) is excellent.


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      Wow, that's a lot of obscure progressive...can they really all
be masterpieces if they're that unknown? I don't know, but you
gotta love a band with three mellotron players in the line-up.
Did they really have three mellotrons? Sounds like a touring
nightmare.

     The only album there I know is Arzachel, but I think it's too
sketchy to qualify as a masterpiece. Check out Jan Hammer's
"The First Seven Days" (1975) for a true forgotten masterpiece.
Out of print for years, it just came out on CD very recently, and I
still find it the best multi-keyboard album ever made.

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My fave of these is either T2's album or Spring, and seeing as Spring had a few votes I'll go for T2.

 
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Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Never heard to any of them too!

TI CONSIGLIO DI COMPRARE L' ENCICLOPEDIA DI CESARE RIZZI DEL 2003 :

PROGRESSIVE & underground in Gran Bretagna ed Europa, 1967 - 1976.

Ho l'enciclopedia del rock (pubblicata nel del 1976) di Nic Logan e Bob Woffinden, controlleṛ meglio stasera.

Speravo mi citassi anche qualche oscura chicca del prog italiano...Arzachel, Affinity & Co. mi pare siano tutti inglesi.

ITALIANI? OK!

  • ACQUA FRAGILE - ACQUA FRAGILE (1973) / MASS MEDIA STARS (1974) (like GENESIS)
  • ABISSI INFINITI - TUNNEL (1981) (like LE ORME - NEW TROLLS)
  • AGORA' - LIVE IN MONTREAUX (1975) / AGORA' 2 (1976) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • ALBERO MOTORE - IL GRANDE GIOCO (1974) (POP-PROG)
  • GLI ALISEI - GLI ALISEI (1979) (POP-PROG)
  • GLI ALLUMINOGENI - SCOLOPENDRA (1972) (like ELP)
  • ALPHATAURUS - ALPHATAURUS (1973) (like ELP)
  • ALUSA FALLAX - INTORNO ALLA MIA CATTIVA EDUCAZIONE (1974) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • ANONIMA SOUND LTD - RED TAPE MACHINE (1972) (like JETHRO TULL)
  • ANTONIUS REX - ZORA (1977) / RALEFUN (1978) (DARK-PROG)
  • APOTEOSI - APOTEOSI (1975) (PFM STYLE)
  • ATLANTIDE - FRANCESCO TI RICORDI (1975) (like BIGLIETTO PER L'INFERNO - IBIS)
  • AURORA - QUANDO LA VITA E' MORE (1982) (MELODIC PROG)
  • IL BARICENTRO - SCONCERTO (1976) / TRUSCIANT (1978) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • BLOCCO MENTALE - POA (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • BUON VECCHIO CHARLIE - BUON VECCHIO CHARLIE (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • I CALIFFI - FIORE DI METALLO (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • CAMPO DI MARTE - CAMPO DI MARTE (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • CAPITOLO SEI - FRUTTI PER KAGUA (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • I CAPRICORN COLLEGE - ORFEO 2000 (1972) / LP DI PRIMAVERA (1974) (POP-PROG)
  • CAPSICUM RED - APPUNTI PER UN'IDEA FISSA (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • CELESTE - PRINCIPE DI UN GIORNO (1976)
  • FABIO CELI E GLI INFERMIERI - FOLLIA (1973) (POP-PROG)
  • CERVELLO - MELOS (1973) (like OSANNA)
  • CHERRY FIVE (GOBLIN) - CHERRY FIVE (1974)
  • CINCINNATO - CINCINNATO (1974) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • CIRCUS 2000 - AN ESCAPE FROM A BOX (1972) (POP-PROG)
  • CITTA' FRONTALE - EL TOR (1975) (like OSANNA)
  • COCAI - PICCOLO GRANDE VECCHIO FIUME (1977) (like JETHRO TULL)
  • CORTE DEI MIRACOLI - CORTE DEI MIRACOLI (1976) (BANCO, PFM, BALLETTO DI BRONZO)
  • DALTON - RIFLESSIONI : IDEA D'INFINITO (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • DE DE LIND - IO NON SO DA DOVE VENGO... (1973) (POP-PROG)
  • DUELLO MADRE - DUELLO MADRE (1973) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • EDGAR ALLAN POE - GENERAZIONI (1974) (PFM, BANCO)
  • ENEIDE - UOMINI UMILI POPOLI LIBERI (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)

CE NE SONO VERAMENTE TANTI!!! TI HO ELENCATO ALCUNI ALBUM TRA I MENO CONOSCIUTI NEL PANORAMA PROG-ROCK ITALIANO.COMUNQUE SE VUOI SAPERNE DI PIU' TI CONSIGLIO UNA SPLENDIDA ENCICLOPEDIA CHIAMATA:

"THE RETURN OF ITALIAN POP": CENTINAIA DI GRUPPI FAMOSI E NON; DAGLI ANNI 70 FINO AD OGGI.

Ce ne sono davvero tantissimi!

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Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Never heard to any of them too!

TI CONSIGLIO DI COMPRARE L' ENCICLOPEDIA DI CESARE RIZZI DEL 2003 :

PROGRESSIVE & underground in Gran Bretagna ed Europa, 1967 - 1976.

Ho l'enciclopedia del rock (pubblicata nel del 1976) di Nic Logan e Bob Woffinden, controlleṛ meglio stasera.

Speravo mi citassi anche qualche oscura chicca del prog italiano...Arzachel, Affinity & Co. mi pare siano tutti inglesi.

ITALIANI? OK!

  • ACQUA FRAGILE - ACQUA FRAGILE (1973) / MASS MEDIA STARS (1974) (like GENESIS)
  • ABISSI INFINITI - TUNNEL (1981) (like LE ORME - NEW TROLLS)
  • AGORA' - LIVE IN MONTREAUX (1975) / AGORA' 2 (1976) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • ALBERO MOTORE - IL GRANDE GIOCO (1974) (POP-PROG)
  • GLI ALISEI - GLI ALISEI (1979) (POP-PROG)
  • GLI ALLUMINOGENI - SCOLOPENDRA (1972) (like ELP)
  • ALPHATAURUS - ALPHATAURUS (1973) (like ELP)
  • ALUSA FALLAX - INTORNO ALLA MIA CATTIVA EDUCAZIONE (1974) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • ANONIMA SOUND LTD - RED TAPE MACHINE (1972) (like JETHRO TULL)
  • ANTONIUS REX - ZORA (1977) / RALEFUN (1978) (DARK-PROG)
  • APOTEOSI - APOTEOSI (1975) (PFM STYLE)
  • ATLANTIDE - FRANCESCO TI RICORDI (1975) (like BIGLIETTO PER L'INFERNO - IBIS)
  • AURORA - QUANDO LA VITA E' MORE (1982) (MELODIC PROG)
  • IL BARICENTRO - SCONCERTO (1976) / TRUSCIANT (1978) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • BLOCCO MENTALE - POA (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • BUON VECCHIO CHARLIE - BUON VECCHIO CHARLIE (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • I CALIFFI - FIORE DI METALLO (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • CAMPO DI MARTE - CAMPO DI MARTE (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • CAPITOLO SEI - FRUTTI PER KAGUA (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • I CAPRICORN COLLEGE - ORFEO 2000 (1972) / LP DI PRIMAVERA (1974) (POP-PROG)
  • CAPSICUM RED - APPUNTI PER UN'IDEA FISSA (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • CELESTE - PRINCIPE DI UN GIORNO (1976)
  • FABIO CELI E GLI INFERMIERI - FOLLIA (1973) (POP-PROG)
  • CERVELLO - MELOS (1973) (like OSANNA)
  • CHERRY FIVE (GOBLIN) - CHERRY FIVE (1974)
  • CINCINNATO - CINCINNATO (1974) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • CIRCUS 2000 - AN ESCAPE FROM A BOX (1972) (POP-PROG)
  • CITTA' FRONTALE - EL TOR (1975) (like OSANNA)
  • COCAI - PICCOLO GRANDE VECCHIO FIUME (1977) (like JETHRO TULL)
  • CORTE DEI MIRACOLI - CORTE DEI MIRACOLI (1976) (BANCO, PFM, BALLETTO DI BRONZO)
  • DALTON - RIFLESSIONI : IDEA D'INFINITO (1973) (SYMPH-PROG)
  • DE DE LIND - IO NON SO DA DOVE VENGO... (1973) (POP-PROG)
  • DUELLO MADRE - DUELLO MADRE (1973) (JAZZ-ROCK)
  • EDGAR ALLAN POE - GENERAZIONI (1974) (PFM, BANCO)
  • ENEIDE - UOMINI UMILI POPOLI LIBERI (1972) (SYMPH-PROG)

CE NE SONO VERAMENTE TANTI!!! TI HO ELENCATO ALCUNI ALBUM TRA I MENO CONOSCIUTI NEL PANORAMA PROG-ROCK ITALIANO.COMUNQUE SE VUOI SAPERNE DI PIU' TI CONSIGLIO UNA SPLENDIDA ENCICLOPEDIA CHIAMATA:

"THE RETURN OF ITALIAN POP": CENTINAIA DI GRUPPI FAMOSI E NON; DAGLI ANNI 70 FINO AD OGGI.
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Spring's only album belongs more to the pop-progressive than to
the prog rock field, so I was slightly disappointed when I first
listened to it, then it grew on me. If I had heard more from Comus
maybe they would have been my choice for this poll. Can't find them
in the shops, sh*t!
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Can't say I'm lucky enough to have heard all these, but of the ones I know, Comus - First Utterance just barely beats out the Spring album. Both GREAT.

Is Artcane - Odyssee "forgotten" enough to consider? NOBODY talks about this album, and it's one of my favorites ever, obscure or otherwise.

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I voted for Fantasy and Fruupp albums. Not masterpieces but very good symphonic prog albums. By the way, Fruupp did release 4 albums, all of them very close in style and very even. For those who don't know, they sound a bit like early Genesis which would be folkier and without mellotron (they use a Solina string ensemble I think).
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Spring

1971

Studio Album
Title information (Edit) | Reviews | Buy Music
Spring - Spring CD album cover 4.52
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music



Track listing
1. The Prisoner (Eight By Ten) (5:34)
2. Grail (6:44)
3. Boats (1:53)
4. Shipwrecked Soldier (5:08)
5. Golden Fleece (6:59)
6. Inside Out (4:49)
7. Song To Absent Friends (The Island) (2:47)
8. Gazing (5:54)

Total Time: 39:48
German reissue of 1971 album originally includes three previously bonus tracks:
9. Fools Gold
10. Hendre Mews
11. A World Full Of Whispers

Line-up
- Pat Moran / vocals, mellotron
- Ray Martinez / guitars, mellotron
- Adrian 'Bone' Maloney / bass guitar
- Pick Withers / drums
- Kipps Brown / piano, organ, mellotron

Releases information
Cd. Repertoire REP 4472WP (1995)/Akarma AK213CD (2002)

Hey, 23 ratings for this one!!Shocked
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Let's go discover that Spring album!
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