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The Hemulen 
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 Topic: Poor trends.........
Posted: December 03 2005 at 09:26 |
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Really, current teenage trends aren't so far removed from the manifold people who went along with the hippy lifestyle in the 60's because it was, for a short period, very fashionable. Nowadays most of them are decidedly normal and un-hippy. Many teenagers like to feel they're part of something bigger. Fashion MATTERS when you're a teenager, and for many that means conforming to what the media says is fashionable, rather than finding something that truly fits you. Why moan about it on an internet forum? Seems a bit silly to me.
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sularetal
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 03:30 |
I dont criticize the music they like. For me there are only two kinds
Good: Music written, composed and played by the artist because this is what they like and because they express theirself and their feelings through it and
Bad: Music written, composed and played by the artist just to sell
So everything else is to me just personal taste. Can't stand when people say Tool sucks, DT sucks, Classic Rock sucks, Classical music sucks.......
Thats why I think bands like Ac/Dc with the minimum possible complexity in their music are good just like DT. Thats why I think Nile is good music (met the drummer and he told me he enjoys it sooooooooo much) etc. and thats why some rap songs are good music (cant stand listening to them though) cause there not all about money chicks and weed but about expressing what they feel (really rare though). Im just asking to be openminded!!!!
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 00:24 |
Those things are normal, really. Teenagers at that age want to be "cool", and they will do anything to get there, whether they truly like it or not. They just don't ask themselves "Is this music really good" or "am I doing the right thing", they just assume that's good because the cool people do it. Another reason is not to feel left out of the crowd, keep up with the fashion. If tomorrow Amon Duul II will be as promoted as greenday today, hell, they will all be listening to it. Sometimes it leads to trouble like getting on drugs or getting diseased like aids, but that's another story. As for me, I never go with the crowd and will listen to Beefheart and Magma even if I will be the last one on earth listening to them. As for being punk or dumping trash on the street, it is their inner desire to show off how cool, rebellious and careless they are. Most people grow out of this around age 20, those who remain usually do so for money, like playing in a sellout punk band. Those trends existed in Greece three thousand years ago, trust me. Now they are more extreme because of more freedom people have, but the idea is the same. Just be tolerant, they'll grow up 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 00:11 |
I'll try to prove you that everything can be worst:
PERÚ + TEENAGERS = REGGAETON 
Iván
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darren
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 21:53 |
I think this generation of youth is doomed.
But then, my parents thought the same of my generation. My grandparents thought the same of my parents.
My grandmother told me a story of how she was a rebel by dancing The Jitterbug and The Charleston. These dances were supposed to turn the young kids of the day into Satanists.
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the fools
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sularetal
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 16:19 |
Was it always like that? I'm 15 so I don't know but it scares me sometimes. Imagine how insecure you would feel by doing things you wouldn't normaly do......
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 12:04 |
If you guys think Athens is trendy. Come to the United States. The United States is the single biggest promoter of trends on the planet. All kinds of trends. We have ghetto trends, punk trends, race trends, political trends, metal trends, and anti-trend trends.
I really hate the metal trend. I hate a musical attitude. I wish kids would realize music is music because of the tones the bands create, not because of some tough guy message. I hate how anything soft is "pussy rock". Metalheads these days just keep losing more and more respect from me.
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Peace Frog
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 11:43 |
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People are jerks. As I've already established in two or more topics, I hate mindless conformity. There are so many peole around just conforming mindlessly to these stupid trends, even to be different. There are people I know that are becoming goth or wearing crazy fashions just to be different, when it's not their true style. People even think I'm trying to be goth just because I dress in black, have black nail polish, and black eyeliner, eye shadow, and dark lipstick. What they fail to realise is that it's my dark personality, it's just my way to be dark everyday. I'm not going to wear the trends just because that's what everyone else does. I can't help if I'm dark and disturbed.
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sularetal
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 13:11 |
 goose wrote:
Whereabouts in Athens are you from? The girl in the room next door to me is from Athens.
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Near the center. Tell her Ilisia/Pagrati
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Sean Trane
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 11:34 |
Blacksword wrote:
It's called herd psychology, at least thats what I call it! It's a safety in numbers thing. Many kids need approval from their peer group to make them feel stronger as people. It's too much like hard work to earn respect from being different to the flock. That takes guts, and it takes time.
Believe it or not I didn't come on this forum to moan. That would be too easy. I'll take out my anger on my work colleagues instead! 
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in other words peer pressure and teenagers are quite prone to it.
The whole industry thrives on this as they try to find something a few "winners"will like and they will have everyone admiring them and and wanting to copy it! This is hardly new (it was also present in the 70's) but I must say that with kids having bigger and bigger allowances , they are more prone to fall into extreme consumerism! And the ones profitting from this are the multinational firms!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 11:17 |
sularetal wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
It's called herd psychology, at least thats what I call it! It's a safety in numbers thing. Many kids need approval from their peer group to make them feel stronger as people. It's too much like hard work to earn respect from being different to the flock. That takes guts, and it takes time. |
Interesting... Didnt know that. Seems resonable....
I ddidnt make this thread to moan. I did it just to express how sorry I feel for those guys.
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I realise that, mate. I'm the moaner! I'm the English Olympic moaning champion.. ask anyone I know.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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sularetal
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 11:00 |
Blacksword wrote:
It's called herd psychology, at least thats what I call it! It's a safety in numbers thing. Many kids need approval from their peer group to make them feel stronger as people. It's too much like hard work to earn respect from being different to the flock. That takes guts, and it takes time. |
Interesting... Didnt know that. Seems resonable....
I ddidnt make this thread to moan. I did it just to express how sorry I feel for those guys.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 10:19 |
It's called herd psychology, at least thats what I call it! It's a safety in numbers thing. Many kids need approval from their peer group to make them feel stronger as people. It's too much like hard work to earn respect from being different to the flock. That takes guts, and it takes time.
Well I could moan all day about people dropping litter, it makes my blood boil  Earlier this year a man in his 50's, in a nearby town, had words with a 14 year old who dropped his MacDonalds wrappers on the ground. The kids 'posse' set on him and beat him senseless in broad daylight, and guess what...no one lifted a finger...
Believe it or not I didn't come on this forum to moan. That would be too easy. I'll take out my anger on my work colleagues instead!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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JayDee
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 10:18 |
same thing here in The Philippines..
a lot of those kids sport the same kind of hairstyles, wear black tight fitting jeans/ shirts, with all those black eyeliners and stuff, they swear alot, i mean alot, they cant stand to say a single sentence without swearing. ive also noticed the attitude they try to project...
tsk, tsk, tsk.....
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goose
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 10:10 |
Whereabouts in Athens are you from? The girl in the room next door to me is from Athens.
On a related note (  ) liking a girl does make you weak and vulnerable for sure, but that's no cause to hide it  . I do basically agree with what you say, but then until a year or so ago I was anti-trends just for the sake of it, which is equally as silly as following trends for the sake of them, I think!
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sularetal
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 08:14 |
I'm sad to see all those kids ruining their personality. I think that many people mostly among 13-22 are extreamly pressed from the society to do many things. I live in Athens and here for example you have to like a certain type of music and certain bands whether it's green day, linkin' park, rammones, slipknot, skyladika (a type of modern greek music I hope you 'll never listen) etc. I don't have a problem with those bands but many people I know listen to them just because everyone does. Ok, mabye I hate green day  .... However it would be nice to see kids liking them after having listening to B.B King, Zeppelin, Mozart, John Scofield, Crimson Glory or Pink Floyd etc. (random examples). You have to like whats on TV, whats on top 10 right now or if you want to be reactinary punk/punk-rock like Sex Pistols, Rammones and Clash will do. Again I dont have a problem with those bands, in fact I like Clash.
Reason why hate them: two friends of mine met a guy listening to punk and he told them the only music was rammones.
Their reaction: they bought all the rammones cds just in once and said they ruled without having heard anything from them before. I mean...... How stup|d is that?
Apart from the music section its also the apperarence and attitude model they have to follow. I 'dont mind about their appearence but I do about their attitude:
Friday night, I was out with two guys and we were eating hot dogs. After they finished they dropped the rubish on the street while the bin was eaxactly behind them. I dont know.......What is the matter why trends? Does throwing rubbish anywhere make you a toughie?
Another example is that they all try to show they have affairs with many girls at the same time or that they got laid. They have not to care about their gf/gfs. If you feel something about a girl this makes you instantly vunearable and weak.
I'll end here cause if not I could write until tommorow.
The point of this thread is to express your opinions on trends, tell stories or facts you've seen and whatever really has to do with trends.....
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