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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:


These are examples of albums I liked at first, but just didn't stand the test of time with me. I will say that there are some decent moments on all three, but also that my BJH collection is a lot smaller than it used to be. I will also mention that I've never rated the Victims of Circumstance album, because I was thankfully warned away from that one before actually buying it.

I have a very rough rule of thumb when it comes to BJH.. you may agree, you may not...

No Wooly, No BJH... without his mellotron, the sound became very thin and without his influence, the prog was lost and they became too poppy. So, the last album of theirs I own is XII.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:


Albums I've given 2 stars: 

Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts, That's rather harsh?
Octoberon, Outrageous!!
Face to Face   Fair enough...


These are examples of albums I liked at first, but just didn't stand the test of time with me. I will say that there are some decent moments on all three, but also that my BJH collection is a lot smaller than it used to be. I will also mention that I've never rated the Victims of Circumstance album, because I was thankfully warned away from that one before actually buying it.
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:


Albums I've given 2 stars: 

Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts, That's rather harsh?
Octoberon, Outrageous!!
Face to Face   Fair enough...

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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Not very much, but ...
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Camel - The Single Factor
Vangelis - See You Later
Renaissance - Camera Camera

The reason why I rated so low these albums from some of my favorite bands is that I don't want newbies to think that their music is like that. 

The last Shub-Niggurath deserves less than one star, IMO. 

Vangelis See You Later is one of my favorites. a weird and interesting album... I probably would have given it at least a 4 star.  Love that album, not a bit, all of it.
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Not very much, but ...
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Camel - The Single Factor
Vangelis - See You Later
Renaissance - Camera Camera

The reason why I rated so low these albums from some of my favorite bands is that I don't want newbies to think that their music is like that. 

The last Shub-Niggurath deserves less than one star, IMO. 
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I've limited this to bands/artists I'm actually a fan of:

Albums I've given 2 stars: 
Asia - Aqua
Tony Banks - Still
Barclay James Harvest - Time Honoured Ghosts, Octoberon, Face to Face
ELP - Love Beach
FM - Transformation
Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte, Blues with a Feeling
Allan Holdsworth - I.O.U.
Led Zeppelin - debut, Coda
Marillion - Fugazi
Moody Blues - Octave, The Other Side of Life, Sur La Mer
Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds
Saga - Generation 13
Styx - Crystal Ball, Cornerstone, Kilroy was Here
Vangelis - Direct, El Greco
John Wetton - Arkangel
Yes - Union

Albums I've given 1 star:
ELP - In the Hot Seat 
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^And how does a reviewer know the what, why, how, and meaning of a release by any artist?
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A review is not about any of us "having to tell you or others" what the album is about. A review is "an opinion" and it should stay there and nowhere else.
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Hi,

complete with a "moonshine", as a hippie girl that is going to get taken and killed figuratively. 

I love a lot of Neil Youngs work. Especially "On The Beach" and "Zuma".

Call her Moonshine 
drinking hooch that damages her liver
Call her moonshine 
Got a still set up down by the river.

Playing hide and seek, with the state police
Banging Billy bob up on the mountain...

 


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^And how does a reviewer know the what, why, how, and meaning of a release by any artist?
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A review is not about any of us "having to tell you or others" what the album is about. A review is "an opinion" and it should stay there and nowhere else.
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Hi,

There is a problem here, sort of ... some albums, are very obviously right out front about something ... you have no doubt what "Demons Out" is all about, and goes on for 20 minutes! And you should not have any doubts about ITCOTKC at all, as an iconic and really well done snap shot of the time and place, complete with a "moonshine", as a hippie girl that is going to get taken and killed figuratively. Or even talking to the wind, and no one listening or giving a damn about the words ... one of the worst things on PA sometimes. We kinda love Ian, but it's like its stops there and everyone else is crap. Or the brainwashing with a religious bent, I would imagine, though I can not even come close to listening to those things, and the lack of realization that it is all based on a book that is the worst translation of anything ever done. But it makes people believe in the child story and fantasy of it all ... perfect for controlling the masses for quite a few centuries!

You may dislike Neil Young, but Ohio and a lot of his work, is not empty, or as I like to call it ... "mac & cheese" ... it is serious stuff and he sings with such strength and honesty that a lot of hard core rockers hate, because it makes their favorites sound bad ... really bad ... for trying that make believe stuff on you again ... makes me ask ... did we ever grow up beyond the childish stories!
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^And how does a reviewer know the what, why, how, and meaning of a release by any artist?

Most artists, I assume, make records because of the joy of music. They do it for themselves, as they should, and not how it will be received.
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A review is not about any of us "having to tell you or others" what the album is about. A review is "an opinion" and it should stay there and nowhere else.

My main issue with some reviewers, is when the line is crossed, and then it becomes an attack on the musicians, or artists ... look, I can handle if you don't like the statue of Venus de Milo, or David ... for whatever religious reasons including sexual ... but you, or anyone else, have no right to judge it as horrible works of the human spirit.They still stand up as snap shots of a very different time and place, and most reviewers do NOT even try to frequent that area, for fear of being wrong, or out of sorts. Thus, many reviews, are just a bunch of subjective comments, that ... c'mon ... you call that a review?

Honestly, if the person does a review, simply to give the album a bad rating, I think that review should be removed, and the reviewer given an Admin comment or two ... not that it will help, but I'm not sure that PA is here to stand up to anarchic comments about anything. AND reviews, including the ratings, is not a place for those comments to show up at all ... because those would not be proper.

Here, though, is a very tough one on a musician that has done a whole bunch of music and based it on a book that has suffered horrible translations for nearly 1900 years or more ... and while I'm not going to say that the music, or the work itself is bad, I'm not going to review it, because it feels like another attempt at suggesting that one man was right in history and the rest of all of us, were not, and never will be! That thought is very scary for me, and implies the same type of "control" that many religions seek in order to get more from their "flock".

You could say that I'm tired of childish stories about history, and it may have started somewhere around the Greek days and nights, when all stories were changed to be something stupid ... and we go to school to believe the crap even more ... it's insane folks. And what we want is the same on reviews and ratings?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Neil Morse ... that's the one who played with Mark Portnoy, right? Or am I confusing things now ... might have been Steve Wilson.

You may be thinking of Neil Diamond! lol.    my dyslexia axing up again!

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I made a conscious decision when I started my website not to give star ratings or other forms of numerical "bonus points". I find them far too restrictive, certainly only five stars without the halfway house of a half star. Further, they can cause a huge amount of upset with some artists (WHY is that album rated higher than mine?), and at the end of the day, opinions on music are entirely subjective, and there are several people here whose opinion can be, shall we say, interesting.
Holy smokes. At last! Someone on this forum gets it! ❤❤❤❤! This is exactly why I always prefer reviewing or rating albums without attaching a numerical score.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Neil Morse ... that's the one who played with Mark Portnoy, right? Or am I confusing things now ... might have been Steve Wilson.
Yep! You're correct, MitchEnRegalia. That was indeed Steven Wilkins.

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^ Neil Morse ... that's the one who played with Mark Portnoy, right? Or am I confusing things now ... might have been Steve Wilson.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - March 31 2025 at 01:22
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Probably why I like Jumble Hole Clough better than Neil Morse LOL




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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Probably why I like Jumble Hole Clough better than Neil Morse LOL




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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Sure, but all that is subjective. Music is abstract and emotional. Does instrumental music need to be meaningful?

I highly doubt if a piece of instrumental music has NOT touched someone, somewhere, emotionally and is therefore meaningful to them.  The Star system only tells us what one single listener thought of a piece of music. 

There are many albums that are technically almost perfect, highly skilled musicians, spot on composition, vocal prowess, professional mixing and mastering ... That leave me cold. Music needs soul & spirit. 

Probably why I like Jumble Hole Clough better than Neil Morse LOL


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^Sure, but all that is subjective. Music is abstract and emotional. Does instrumental music need to be meaningful?
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^And how does a reviewer know the what, why, how, and meaning of a release by any artist?


By thinking about the release. By considering what songs, lyrics, concepts mean. Most importantly, how that meaning impacts the reviewer/listener.
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^And how does a reviewer know the what, why, how, and meaning of a release by any artist?

Most artists, I assume, make records because of the joy of music. They do it for themselves, as they should, and not how it will be received. Rush and Zappa are two artists that come to mind that did what they wanted, not what others suggested. Zappa's last albums he made when he was dying weren't masterpieces.



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I have only just caught up with this interesting discussion, and well remember that great discussion with Jared at The Acapela (we must do it again some time).

I made a conscious decision when I started my website not to give star ratings or other forms of numerical "bonus points". I find them far too restrictive, certainly only five stars without the halfway house of a half star. Further, they can cause a huge amount of upset with some artists (WHY is that album rated higher than mine?), and at the end of the day, opinions on music are entirely subjective, and there are several people here whose opinion can be, shall we say, interesting.

I too like Paul's contributions to this site, but Blackstar only two stars? I'm sorry, but that, to me, is a shocking rating. You do not need to be a Bowie fan (I am not particularly, certainly only a portion of his output) to understand what a deeply personal and important album that was, the circumstances under which it was made staggering.

The most important thing, as both Jared & Logan have said, is to respect the artist, and, to more the most important consideration, to UNDERSTAND what, why, how, and the process of an album, because it will have a meaning to the artist(s) who produced it. You might not get it. It doesn't mean it is not without merit or artistic value.
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