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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65592 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65592 |
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I strongly disagree, Tarkus' second half is great and provides a contrast to the first side. 'Jeremy Bender', 'Bitches Crystal', 'Time and a Place' are not filler. The only joke cut is Eddy. |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18540 |
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Emerson had the last laugh, because "Karn Evil 9" is stunning.
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Criswell ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2023 Location: Illinois Status: Online Points: 605 |
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I read a story long ago (can’t remember where…I don’t recall
it being Keyboard magazine, but I could be wrong), where Emerson took exception
to a reviewer calling ELP “…all pomp and no circumstance…” He thought that if they want an Elgar march, he’ll give them
an Elgar march. That effort became Karn Evil 9: 3rd Impression which
does indeed contain elements sounding like a grandiose Elgar processional march. This is what made ELP unique to me. They brought a sense of
humor to the approach to their music that few other artists did. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18058 |
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Hi, In the early days, and PAAE was from 1971, I think the whole "art rock" thing was based on a lot of classical music, and The Nice (previous Keith Emerson) had also done a lot of it. That it was "pompous" was not a surprise ... c'mon ... 2001 had brought out the pompous like nothing we had ever seen, and then, it got to the Cinerama Dome, which was even more pompous and crazy and far out for the stoned mind, at least. I always thought that many bands, and ELP was not the only one, were trying to let folks know that there was a lot of far out music out there that we did not listen to, because we were so attached to radio and its pop tendencies, even though FM radio being independent at the time, presented even more choices that we would not otherwise have heard or considered. When you think of the conventional band line up and all of a sudden you get ELP doing classical music, it was far out ... I mean FAR OUT ... and way out there, but it was special, and I, for one, appreciated since I loved classical music and had been into it for several years, since just before the Beatles and Rolling Stones appeared on the radio in Brazil. The interpretations, were excellent, and very faithful in general, and that was no different than 10 different conductors doing Stravinsky ... they all had their moments and different details ... and ELP had theirs. Up until things blew apart by 1972 or so, classical music was still important and had a large sales base. It was by this time that things changed considerably and today, classical music is nearly dead, because there are no "hits" to listen to, and you can't needle and peck Mozart, or Beethoven like you can 99.9% of all rock and jazz music! I like to say, and think, that the one thing missing in a lot of progressive and progrock fans, is a little more appreciation for music as a whole and its history ... but I'm not sure that most fans, can get away from the commercial elements that the majority of us (here specially) are attuned to ... it just about has to be numbered and have a hit, or not enough folks will give a darn! It's about the music ... plain, simple and pure. And in my book we have to define that a lot better!
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2471 |
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I must admit I still find TARKUS, TRILOGY and BRAIN SALAD SURGERY hugely enjoyable - and that includes TARKUS' B-side. I never had a problem with ELP's throwaway ditties. If Genesis could get away with 'Harold the Barrel', why can't ELP do 'Benny the Bouncer'? (Only 'Jerusalem' is a track I prefer to skip: far too pompous, just like most of PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION.)
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18540 |
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If only we'd have gotten another album by Emerson, Lake & Powell in lieu of 3's (bad choice for a band name, too). |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18058 |
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Hi, I find this sad, and perhaps not quite looked at ... AT THE TIME ... and what most bands were doing. ELP put together a PIANO CONCERTO (Tarkus), done in those early styles with loud and bombastic keyboards ... but the day that you sit and listen to Rachel Flower do this on the piano, or organ, you will find right away that this is incredible ... and the side 2 of the album being "filler" ... how you gonna follow up a masterpiece? You and I would probably mess that up too! Your soup is gonna pale in comparison! What's the sugar doing here? If there is something unusual and clear about ELP was their take on classical music, but when you hear them on a cold night and an empty stadium in Montreal ... the first thing you can say is ... wow! I think a lot of folks, in those days, were kinda new to the FM radio band and its lack of "hits" and many of those stations put on a lot of stuff, and of course, sooner or later, the sheriff would be fun to play to lighten up the evening amidst overstuffed materials in rock music. I believe that part of the issue is that we dislike classical music, and on top of it, we want the hits ... not the album ... and as someone specified these days, no one buys the album, only the song they want, so in essence most folks don't know the band, and worse ... they don't care, because they want the hits, (per Mike Rutherford, btw) and are not interested in the album at all! This is what the "commercial" status of the whole progressive and progrock thing has come to ... it has to have a number and be listed for most folks to even bother checking it out ... never mind the rest of the band! I kinda think that the record companies are laughing all the way to the bank, still collecting their nickels and dimes via the streaming services they own. It's still a sort of "singles" bar, isn't it? Who cares about the person when all you want is ... ![]() Good thing you are not a true musician with several albums ... you would have died a long time ago!
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BasedProgger ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2025 Location: Cyberia Status: Offline Points: 73 |
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I disagree. Tarkus is half of an amazing album and half filler. Trilogy is more listenable and my favorite by the band but doesn't have any real standouts (The Endless Enigma and the title track are fine songs but obviously can't be compared to Tarkus or Karn Evil 9). Brain Salad Surgery is the only other album besides their debut I think could be deserving of the top 100.
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They should've sent an instruction manual along with that message. I found some iron but there are no tags on it. I'm not sure what the purpose of putting it on my head would be. I'm still listening for DOMContentLoaded. What's it supposed to sound like?
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You are dead wrong about ELP. All their early LPs should be ranked in the Top 100. Thank you.
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"I wished they had done more stuff like 'Bullfrog', which sounded like Shamal era Gong to me!"
It's funny you mention that because even before I heard any Gong I imagined that that is what they sounded like. Just a few nights ago I was playing Angel's Egg and the thought popped in my head how I was sort of right after all (not all of it but some of it). I think I initially came to that conclusion because I read that Gong used saxophones and percussion and there's a lot of that on "bullfrog." Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - 7 hours 31 minutes ago at 07:16 |
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I prefer several ELP albums to anything by Camel, Renaissance, Van der Graaf Generator, and Focus.
However, I understand and agree with many of the previous post's proposed explanations .
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18893 |
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What contemporary talents in particular do you have in mind?
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18893 |
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In the US in the 70s they were quite a bit more popular than Genesis. However, these days the PG era of the band is much more widely appreciated than Genesis (even outside of prog circles). Even Gentle Giant are appreciated and more known (at least to prog fans). These days I'd say it's mostly classic rock fans and not so much prog fans who appreciate them. I'm talking about the fans from the old days. I doubt many younger music fans (of any genre) think too much of them.
My opinion is that the internet helped convince people that they were too overblown and not as good as other prog bands and people believed it. Before I got online I never really heard anything bad about ELP. Some of their songs were played quite a bit on rock radio probably up until the early 2000s or so. These days I don't think they even get played much on classic rock radio (or any radio). Yes had almost the same fate but at least they are still lauded by most prog fans.
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Disconnect ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2007 Location: Syracuse, NY Status: Offline Points: 286 |
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" 'am or cheese?...."
No such thing as 'short messy tracks' on Tarkus. Blasphemer!
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2919 |
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This is what I meant about ELP upsetting the purists - those songs provided some light relief from the heavier, lengthier stuff and showed off their versatility. Poor ELP, not allowed to mess about. Ham or cheese?
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 2919 |
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^ ELP officially disbanded in 1979 but reformed as ELPowell in 85/86 and produced one decent album. They were back as '3' in 1988 with Robert Berry replacing Lake this time but this iteration was not as successful.
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