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Poll Question: Which Genesis song do you prefer?
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    Posted: January 01 2025 at 04:32
Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

They were basically wasting our time at that point.

yep for sure but I would extend that to many prog bands in the 80's. Genesis get a kicking more than most but at least I can name a handful of tracks on Abacab onwards that were decent and I would happily listen to. Even the much hated The Way We Walk hasd a couple of decent 10 minute tracks imo. I would much prefer to listen to them in the 80's than Yes who were just AOR pop nonsense at this point. At least Genesis retained some semblance of art in their music albeit occasionally. Collins rise as one of the big pop artists in that decade certainly skewed the band's output but as we find out later he was irreplaceable. No Collins no Genesis.
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Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

They were basically wasting our time at that point.
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Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

They were basically wasting our time at that point.

Abacab or shapes?
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They were basically wasting our time at that point.
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I like Abacab also and unlike many I consider it and not Duke to be their last real stab at prog. Abacab the album has not one but two prog tracks which are the title track and dodo and possibly others if you can count keep it dark and man on the corner. Yes it's a bit patchy but the title track at least makes up for the so called stinkers (like who dunnit and another record).
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

"Who Dunnit?" is by far the better track.

"The Waiting Room", "Jesus He Knows Me", "Tell Me Why", and "Living Forever" are all much worse than these two.

I quite like at least 2 of those (the first 2). I know you like Abacab as an album, I can get into some of it for sure, but Whodunnit is the prog equivalent of post ironic dad dancing.Wink
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I like Who Dunnit? Where do I hand in my prog credentials?
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"Who Dunnit?" is by far the better track.

"The Waiting Room", "Jesus He Knows Me", "Tell Me Why", and "Living Forever" are all much worse than these two.
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Ouch. Both are "meh". Illegal Alien, I guess.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 


There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Totally agree. I prefer Calling All Stations over any of the five previous Genesis albums, and that includes Duke. Thumbs Up
CAS is actually a pretty solid album imo (yes, I know that's not popular opinion at all). It doesn't have many highs but there aren't really many (if any) real lows either imo.

There just isn't anything on it, avoiding any creative ideas. I tried listening to it earlier in the year but managed about 4 tracks and then was done. For 1997 it was especially weirdly bad as rock music was on the rise again and I would have thought Ray Wilson could have brought something interesting to the mix. I think Banks and Rutherford were intent on proving to the world they could prosper without Collins but it was one domino too much (see what I did there Big smile)

The second half is better than the first LOL, especially Dividing Line and There Must Be Some Other Way. 

Ray could have brought something interesting, if Tony and Mike had let him. LOL Also Nick D'Virgilio was a session drummer, they could have used his talent better as well. 

I don't know what happened with Chester and Daryl, why not use them?! But i guess the two of them were much closer to Phil than Tony & Mike. 


Edited by Cristi - December 30 2024 at 01:09
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 


There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Totally agree. I prefer Calling All Stations over any of the five previous Genesis albums, and that includes Duke. Thumbs Up


CAS is actually a pretty solid album imo (yes, I know that's not popular opinion at all). It doesn't have many highs but there aren't really many (if any) real lows either imo.

There just isn't anything on it, avoiding any creative ideas. I tried listening to it earlier in the year but managed about 4 tracks and then was done. For 1997 it was especially weirdly bad as rock music was on the rise again and I would have thought Ray Wilson could have brought something interesting to the mix. I think Banks and Rutherford were intent on proving to the world they could prosper without Collins but it was one domino too much (see what I did there Big smile)
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 

I've never understood why some people dislike Robbery... Confused

There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Anything She Does on Invisible Touch is another bad one IMO. 

Because of the voice thing that Phil Collins does during that song which I suppose is a big reason they don't like Illegal Alien also.

You know, I kind of like "anything she does." It's not as good as the Brazilian or others on the album but I still like it the same way I still like "silver rainbow."

Silver Rainbow is fine.
I need a special mood to enjoy Brazilian, the 80s synths and drums are a bit too much for me. Confused
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 


There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Totally agree. I prefer Calling All Stations over any of the five previous Genesis albums, and that includes Duke. Thumbs Up


CAS is actually a pretty solid album imo (yes, I know that's not popular opinion at all). It doesn't have many highs but there aren't really many (if any) real lows either imo.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 


There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Totally agree. I prefer Calling All Stations over any of the five previous Genesis albums, and that includes Duke. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 

I've never understood why some people dislike Robbery... Confused

There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Anything She Does on Invisible Touch is another bad one IMO. 

Because of the voice thing that Phil Collins does during that song which I suppose is a big reason they don't like Illegal Alien also.

You know, I kind of like "anything she does." It's not as good as the Brazilian or others on the album but I still like it the same way I still like "silver rainbow."


Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - December 28 2024 at 17:11
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 


I would disagree with Robbery, Assault and Battery. I know my brother and a good friend of mine who is a prog fan like that song. Rick Beato called A Trick of the Tail a perfect album. I don't think there is a bad track on that album. The title track is a little meh, but bad, no.

Calling All Stations is just blah for the most part. No song on that album is as bad as the songs involved in the poll or Throwing it All Away, In to Deep, Invisible Touch or pretty much most of the We Can't Dance album.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 

I've never understood why some people dislike Robbery... Confused

There are no songs on CAS as bad as Whodunnit or Illegal Alien. 

Anything She Does on Invisible Touch is another bad one IMO. 
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Other so called bad Genesis songs would be more fool me, robbery assault and battery (which I like quite a bit to be honest) and the entire calling all stations album. I doubt throwing it all away and in too deep have many fans on here either. 
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I guess maybe I'm able to sit through Illegal Alien because I grew up with it and also because I'm not taking it too seriously. I realize it was recorded during a different time. I seriously doubt the band were trying to be racist or offensive. I don't really know what they were thinking exactly but I doubt they were intentionally trying to make fun of people. Anyway, that's the one I voted for here.
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Whodunnit vies for the worst song ever produced by Genesis. Illegal alien is bad, but not as bas as Whodunnit.
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