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    Posted: November 14 2024 at 07:08
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Leb I Sol is a band whose discography I jumped into based upon the highest ratings here on PA. They are a band I'd never heard of before seeing them listed here in Jazz-Rock Fusion category. My first listens were to their first three albums, s/t, 2, and Rucni Rad. My initial notes (and memory) of all three was of the music being rather thin, light, and rudimentary. I have not gone back yet to really get to know these albums better due to my interest and focus in Jazz-Rock being more into the birth and beginnings and then the evolution toward the funk side of the sub-genre--most of which seems to occur up until about 1978/79 (thereafter it seems to go toward "Smooth Jazz" or more proggy forms of lush, synthesized jazz [besides fizzling out and/or moving back toward more "classic" jazz forms and styles). But I will get back to them. (My overall impression of the three albums was that I really liked them.) 

Although the Leb i Sol guitarist Vlatko Stefanovski has a pleasant guitar tone, which I like, they can hardly be considered a smooth jazz-rock band. Live footage, like the one I shared above or these 1977 live tracks from a double LP "Various Artists—Boom Festival '77," which was released in 1978 by legendary Jugoton's subsidiary Suzy Records, may best convey the sparking glitz of Leb i Sol.
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[/QUOTE]The label's previous moniker was "Jugoton"; that's a Croatian label with its headquarters in Zagreb that first released the "Majko Zemljo" album in 1974, according to the Discogs entry for the album. In 2018, "Majko Zemljo" was remastered and reissued under the Croatia Records label, decades after Jugoton changed its name to that, Croatia Records. No Macedonian label has ever reissued "Majko Zemljo."

Thanks, again, John (Starshiper), for the data correction! I'm not sure where I got my original information from (I just assumed it was from Discogs since that's been my main information resource). I will make the corrections in my own database. Nice to know more about the Jugoton label since I've encountered it elsewhere as well.

Leb I Sol is a band whose discography I jumped into based upon the highest ratings here on PA. They are a band I'd never heard of before seeing them listed here in Jazz-Rock Fusion category. My first listens were to their first three albums, s/t, 2, and Rucni Rad. My initial notes (and memory) of all three was of the music being rather thin, light, and rudimentary. I have not gone back yet to really get to know these albums better due to my interest and focus in Jazz-Rock being more into the birth and beginnings and then the evolution toward the funk side of the sub-genre--most of which seems to occur up until about 1978/79 (thereafter it seems to go toward "Smooth Jazz" or more proggy forms of lush, synthesized jazz [besides fizzling out and/or moving back toward more "classic" jazz forms and styles). But I will get back to them. (My overall impression of the three albums was that I really liked them.) 



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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I haven't really warmed up to mose of the "bigger" J-R Fusion-bands from behind the Iron Curtain. Perhaps thee was too much rock/guitars and too little jazz for my preferences in most of what I've heard by Modry Effect, SBB, Fermata... But I've got ten other (slightly random) favorites:

Grupa Organowa Krzysztofa Sadowskiego - Na Kosmodromie (1972), Poland
Мелодия / Melodia - Лабиринт / Labyrinth (1974), Russian Federation
Boomerang / Бумеранг - Бумеранг (1983), Kazakhstan
Gonda Sextet - Samanenek (1976), Hungary
Binder Quintet - Binder Quintet Featuring John Tchicai (1983), Hungary
Laboratorium - Zdrowie na Budowie (1978/2006), Poland
Debrecen Jazz Group - Debreceni Jazz Együttes (1979), Hungary
Гунеш / Gunesh - Вижу Землю / I See Earth (1984), Turkmenistan
Tomasz Stanko - Lady Go (1984), Poland
Zbigniew Namyslowski - Winobranie (1973), Poland

Whoa! Cool list, Duke Rollon! A few that I've heard (Gunesh, Laboratorium Tomasz Stanko) but LOTS of stuff I've never heard and thus have to explore! Thanks!
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I haven't really warmed up to mose of the "bigger" J-R Fusion-bands from behind the Iron Curtain. Perhaps thee was too much rock/guitars and too little jazz for my preferences in most of what I've heard by Modry Effect, SBB, Fermata... But I've got ten other (slightly random) favorites:

Grupa Organowa Krzysztofa Sadowskiego - Na Kosmodromie (1972), Poland
Мелодия / Melodia - Лабиринт / Labyrinth (1974), Russian Federation
Boomerang / Бумеранг - Бумеранг (1983), Kazakhstan
Gonda Sextet - Samanenek (1976), Hungary
Binder Quintet - Binder Quintet Featuring John Tchicai (1983), Hungary
Laboratorium - Zdrowie na Budowie (1978/2006), Poland
Debrecen Jazz Group - Debreceni Jazz Együttes (1979), Hungary
Гунеш / Gunesh - Вижу Землю / I See Earth (1984), Turkmenistan
Tomasz Stanko - Lady Go (1984), Poland
Zbigniew Namyslowski - Winobranie (1973), Poland
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

TIHOMIR POP ASANOVIC Majko Zemljo (1974) from Yugoslavia (Macedonia)
Actually, Tihomir "Pop" Asanović, ex-TIME keyboardist, is not from Northern Macedonia but rather Croatia. An absolutely fantastic album from 1974! It sounds like a concept album or perhaps even a jazz-rock opera, yet it wasn't.
This is my favourite song from Majko Zemljo, which features Croatian female vocalist Josipa Lisac. She possesses a voice that is ideal for the jazz-rock/fusion genre; in the "Women in Prog?" thread, I have already shared a live rendition of a song from Lisac's vocal jazz-rock debut released in 1973.



Thanks for the correction, John! I think I assumed "Pop" was Macedonian since this album is given a Macedonian-based label on Discogs.
The label's previous moniker was "Jugoton"; that's a Croatian label with its headquarters in Zagreb that first released the "Majko Zemljo" album in 1974, according to the Discogs entry for the album. In 2018, "Majko Zemljo" was remastered and reissued under the Croatia Records label, decades after Jugoton changed its name to that, Croatia Records. No Macedonian label has ever reissued "Majko Zemljo."

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Thanks, John! A few here I discovered after I initiated this thread (Extra Ball, Furda, Tocak). While I like Leb I Sol, I find them a bit too smooth.

Despite a few slower tracks and regardless of their later pop-orientated releases, the 70s Leb and Sol were definitely not a smooth jazz-rock band. This is live footage from 1978, for instance.
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I haven't got to any of them yet, but I have picked up many Jazz related albums you have reviewed over the last year, and I appreciate your enthusiasm.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've been on a massive exploration of the beginning and "Classic Years" of Jazz-Rock Fusion for the past year.
I've been so impressed with how many bands from "behind the Iron Curtain" produced great albums during this decade. Here are my 10 Favorite so far (in order):

SBB Pamiec (1976) from Poland (Upper Silesia) 
FIRYUZA / Фирюза Firyuza / Фирюза (1979) from Soviet Union (Turkmenistan) 
SBB Memento Z Banalnym Tryptikiem (1981) from Poland (Upper Silesia) 
DEN ZA DEN Den Da Zen (1980) from Yugoslavia (Macedonia) 
FERMATA Huascaran (1977) from Czechoslovakia (Slovakia) 
LABORATORIUM Modern Pentathalon (1976) from Poland 
JAZZ Q Pozorovatelna (The Watchtower) (1973) from Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic) 
GUNESH ENSEMBLE Gunesh (1980) from Soviet Union (Turkmenistan) 
TIHOMIR POP ASANOVIC Majko Zemljo (1974) from Yugoslavia (Macedonia) 
ENERGIT Energit (1975) from Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic) 
IZVIR Izvir (1977) from Yugoslavia (Slovenia) 
IMPULS Impuls (1977) from Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic) 

I have to add two more Fermáta albums, two more SBB albums, two more Jazz Q/Martin Kratochvil albums, and a whole slew of Michal Urbaniak albums (despite the fact that he emigrated from Poland to have more recording and collaborational freedoms in the West).

Fermáta Fermáta (1975)
Fermáta Pieseň z hôľ (1976)
SBB Pamiec (1976)
SBB Wołanie O Brzęk Szkła (1978)
Jazz Q Simbiosis (1974)
Jazz Q / Martin Kratochvil Elegie (1976)
Michał Urbaniak Paratyphus B (1973)
Michał Urbaniak Super Constellation (1973) / Fusion (1974)
Michał Urbaniak Atma (1974)
Michał Urbaniak Fusion III (1975)



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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

TIHOMIR POP ASANOVIC Majko Zemljo (1974) from Yugoslavia (Macedonia)
Actually, Tihomir "Pop" Asanović, ex-TIME keyboardist, is not from Northern Macedonia but rather Croatia. An absolutely fantastic album from 1974! It sounds like a concept album or perhaps even a jazz-rock opera, yet it wasn't.
This is my favourite song from Majko Zemljo, which features Croatian female vocalist Josipa Lisac. She possesses a voice that is ideal for the jazz-rock/fusion genre; in the "Women in Prog?" thread, I have already shared a live rendition of a song from Lisac's vocal jazz-rock debut released in 1973.



Thanks for the correction, John! I think I assumed "Pop" was Macedonian since this album is given a Macedonian-based label on Discogs.

I, too, love the female vocalist on this album. I will be sure to track down some more albums that she's on--especially that debut solo album from 1973.
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In recognition of wonderful but lesser-known Eastern European jazz-rock/fusion albums, I have included hyperlinks and set my selection chronologically.

Jazz Q (Czech Republic) – Pozorovatelna (The Watch-Tower) (1973)
Radomir Mihailović Točak (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – R.M.Točak (1976)
Izvir (ex-Yugoslavia – Slovenia) – Izvir (1977)
Leb i Sol (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Leb i Sol (1977)
Leb i Sol (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Leb i Sol 2 (1978)
Bohemia (Czech Republic) – Zrnko písku (1978)
Leb i Sol (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Ručni rad (1979)
Sončna Pot (ex-Yugoslavia – Slovenia) – Sončna pot (1979)
Miki Petkovski (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – Ko zna (1979)
37°C (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – Sidarta (recorded in 1979; released only in 2017)


edit: Since the jazz-rock/fusion scene was still thriving in Eastern Europe in the 1980s, I honourably mention these five masterpieces from the 80s, even though I'm cognisant that the thread title requested the 70s stuff.

Extra Ball (Poland) – Mosquito (1980)
Den Za Den (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Den za den (1980)
Modrý Efekt (Czech Republic) – 33 (1981)
Vladimir Furduj Furda (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – Furda (1985)
Quatebriga (ex-Yugoslavia – Slovenia) – The Choice of the New Generation (1987)


Thanks, John! A few here I discovered after I initiated this thread (Extra Ball, Furda, Tocak). While I like Leb I Sol, I find them a bit too smooth. LOVE Jazz Q, Kratochvil, and Den Za Den!
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Trying to keep it to 70s Jazz Fusion I have five plus one.
SBB- Karlstad Live
Michal Urbaniac- Constellation '73 live
Jazz Q- The Watch-Tower
Energit- s/t
Coronarias Dans- Visitor
And the plus one is the Jazz Q/Blue Effect album Conionctio.

Thanks, John! Love all of these! (may have discovered a few after I initiated this thread).
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Strangely, there are like 0 Albanian albums from the 70s. Was recording musical performances banned in Albania at the time?
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

TIHOMIR POP ASANOVIC Majko Zemljo (1974) from Yugoslavia (Macedonia)
Actually, Tihomir "Pop" Asanović, ex-TIME keyboardist, is not from Northern Macedonia but rather Croatia. An absolutely fantastic album from 1974! It sounds like a concept album or perhaps even a jazz-rock opera, yet it wasn't.
This is my favourite song from Majko Zemljo, which features Croatian female vocalist Josipa Lisac. She possesses a voice that is ideal for the jazz-rock/fusion genre; in the "Women in Prog?" thread, I have already shared a live rendition of a song from Lisac's vocal jazz-rock debut released in 1973.
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In recognition of wonderful but lesser-known Eastern European jazz-rock/fusion albums, I have included hyperlinks and set my selection chronologically.

Jazz Q (Czech Republic) – Pozorovatelna (The Watch-Tower) (1973)
Radomir Mihailović Točak (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – R.M.Točak (1976)
Izvir (ex-Yugoslavia – Slovenia) – Izvir (1977)
Leb i Sol (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Leb i Sol (1977)
Leb i Sol (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Leb i Sol 2 (1978)
Bohemia (Czech Republic) – Zrnko písku (1978)
Leb i Sol (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Ručni rad (1979)
Sončna Pot (ex-Yugoslavia – Slovenia) – Sončna pot (1979)
Miki Petkovski (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – Ko zna (1979)
37°C (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – Sidarta (recorded in 1979; released only in 2017)


edit: Since the jazz-rock/fusion scene was still thriving in Eastern Europe in the 1980s, I honourably mention these five masterpieces from the 80s, even though I'm cognisant that the thread title requested the 70s stuff.

Extra Ball (Poland) – Mosquito (1980)
Den Za Den (ex-Yugoslavia – Northern Macedonia) – Den za den (1980)
Modrý Efekt (Czech Republic) – 33 (1981)
Vladimir Furduj Furda (ex-Yugoslavia – Serbia) – Furda (1985)
Quatebriga (ex-Yugoslavia – Slovenia) – The Choice of the New Generation (1987)

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I like Jazz Q. I'll definitely check out the links, because I like "different". I seem to notice European 70s prog. Esperanto isn't in the Eastern bloc, but Imants Kalniņš is. I'll try to look for more and make sure they fit the criteria, and I'll post YouTube links (the band's channel always has the best sound quality)




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Trying to keep it to 70s Jazz Fusion I have five plus one.
SBB- Karlstad Live
Michal Urbaniac- Constellation '73 live
Jazz Q- The Watch-Tower
Energit- s/t
Coronarias Dans- Visitor
And the plus one is the Jazz Q/Blue Effect album Conionctio.
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I'd like to add a couple of albums to my toplist:

Niemen Aerolit / N.AE.  (PPR)  -  Niemen Aerolit   (1975),   not quite Jazz-Rock but I think, rather close to

”Arsenal” Ensemble  (USSR)  -  Created with their own Hands  (1983),   not from the '70s but also close to
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I'd like to try to come up with something here. I've really been enjoying your Jazz and related reviews Drew. Bringing back some good memories with some of those.
I'm sure there will be many from your list and Hugues's list as well that will make mine.
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Something else, Drew, I reckon you're aware of that the term "behind the Iron Curtain" is a very political one.

Yes, David. Thank you. I've been quite unsure as to how to address the topic. Slava (snobb) over at JMA has been helping me a lot. He uses the terms "Eastern Bloc," "former Soviet Union," and "socialist governments" quite freely. I only went with the term I knew because it's the one I've heard most all my life. (Notice: I did enclose the phrase in quotation marks. This was my effort to acknowledge that there are a variety of terms with which to address the topic. I was hoping, perhaps naďvely, that PA grownups would understand that to which I am referring. My intention is purely to express my sincere enthusiasm and respect for the bands/albums and their music.)

P.S. Your own list, David, gives me two albums to check out that I have not yet heard. Thanks!
 


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