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Poll Question: Which of these is your favorite?
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    Posted: August 13 2024 at 18:08
SAGA way above the rest for me.


Edited by Boojieboy - August 13 2024 at 18:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2024 at 09:29
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?

Don't forget Carl Palmer's pre-Asia guest appearance on "Mount Teidi"!

One of the great missed opportunites was that there was no further collaboration between them. For those unaware, Mount Teidi is an extinct volcano on the Spanish island of Tenerife and one of its major tourist attractions. Carl Palmer went to live there permanently and I guess Oldfield was also living there at that time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2024 at 09:49
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?

Don't forget Carl Palmer's pre-Asia guest appearance on "Mount Teidi"!
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Quote Depois do Fim was actually recorded in 1977
Hahaha! Wow. So someone let a recording sit on a shelf for whopping 6 years and released it after the music genre it represented had become completely fricking irrelevant. Great job, Som-Arte record label executives. Not!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Awesoreno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2024 at 21:17
^That's a very good point, but per usual, the forums default to the well-known artists. Fame bias, I suppose.

(I'm going to be super pedantic here, Depois do Fim was actually recorded in 1977, just not released until 1983. Either way, I still agree that there is a bias towards Anglo-American prog, with some nods towards the Italians and Swedes).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2024 at 02:06
Quote Day/Month/Year is much better
I wouldn't say it's better. The reason one might believe in its superiority is because they're not American and simply used to that format.
Quote Year/Month/Day is the best because chronological order is the same as alphabetical order.
There you go. That's the only logical way imho for the reason you brought up.

But anyway, the poll is stupid because it pushes a "1st world centric narrative. In poorer countries, such as the post Eastern Bloc ones or non-commonwealth states in general, incredible complex prog music was still recorded post August 1981! Examples:

Synkopy & Oldřich Veselý - Sluneční hodiny (~December 1981)
Anyone's Daughter - In Blau (1982)
RSC - s/t (1983)
Bacamarte - Depois do Fim (1983)
East - Hüség (1982)
Автограф - s/t (1986)

I'm excluding the unrelated 1st wave OG Neo-Prog movement in the UK obviously. ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2024 at 00:42
8/1/81 = August 1st, 1981 ?!! I hate the way Americans write numerical dates, it's just so WRONG! Day/Month/Year is much better, though Year/Month/Day is the best because chronological order is the same as alphabetical order.
 
BTW, I vote for Yes - 90125.
 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VianaProghead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2024 at 09:05
Discipline of King Crimson followed by Signals of Rush..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2024 at 02:17
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Of all the albums on the list , EL and Powell was the only attempt to bring prog back in it's original long song format.

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?

I like all Mike Oldfield up to and inc Discovery. After that it's patchy. OLdfield was never clearly ''prog'' and kind of did his own thing parallel (or ''prog adjacent'' as is the trendy term) to that movement so he was well aware of it. When he toured Incantations it was way too impracticable (similar to ELP with Works) so he modified his style, trimming it down to a more slicker band orientated format. I still like it but you can't beat the first 4. ''Prog'' maybe, contemporary classical music for sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2024 at 04:45
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Of all the albums on the list , EL and Powell was the only attempt to bring prog back in it's original long song format.

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?
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Of all the albums on the list , EL and Powell was the only attempt to bring prog back in it's original long song format. Side One was for the headphones, side two was meant to crossover to the current audience with more 'radio friendly' tunes such as Touch and Go and Love Blind. They also do the classical thing on Mars. Cozy wanted to use electronic drums but the record company resisted it. Everything was going against the grain with this album and when the band toured the USA the audiences got smaller the further west they headed. Madison Square Gardens was probably the high point of the tour and eventually a live album came out of that show. It's much better than the poorly produced album which had way too much echo on the vocals. Sadly the line up didn't continue and as soon as Palmer was free of his commitments to Asia the original line reformed and announced a festival date in Germany. That soon fell through and it was maybe 5 years before they properly reformed. In the meantime Emerson and Palmer performed at an Atlantic record celebration bash as 'Emerson and Palmer' along with Robert Berry. There also followed the excrement that was 3 to the power of 3 with said same line up.
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Well, call it pop but my choice can't not be 90125
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2024 at 23:36
The truth is, Rush... but I'll give my vote to the Mike Oldfield, which is a great album

then, Tull come third.

The only album I've not heard here is the Saga, who have never done much for me
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King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Steve Hacketrt.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Octopus II Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2024 at 13:44
Jethro Tull - The Broadsword And The Beast
Emerson, Lake & Powell - Emerson, Lake & Powell
Genesis - Abacab
Supertramp - Famous Last Words
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2024 at 13:13
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I watched MTV on its first day. Such on oddball collection of videos back then. Mostly little know early new wave and art rock. Bowie might of been the most well known that I remember. Some promotional videos made for Scary Monsters. Buggles of course had the first song aired. I recall Adam and the Ants, Wall of Voodoo, Devo. I first heard Saga on MTV with clips for Don't Be Late and Careful Where You Step.

My vote goes for King Crimson.

Among my very earliest memories of BOTH Saga and King Crimson was seeing MTV-broadcast concerts!
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RRUUSSHH

Asia

Mr. Gabriel

Yes

The Tulls

Welcome to the middle of the film.
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