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    Posted: April 28 2024 at 10:49
Sorry, I don;t like to do such things, but I'm closing this. This topic did not start well and it turned very insulting and hostile clearly breaking the rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2024 at 10:29
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Israel was not created as a strategic military outpost (I assume this is the word you wanted to use as opposed to output, which makes even less sense) in the Middle East for the British Crown.

I have never read such rubbish.


[COLOR=#990000]Oh the ignorance is so thick you can barely cut it with a knife. Grow the f--k up and learn some history.


Hey you little punk, you better learn some manners or you're gonna get your bullsh*t self knocked on your ass.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2024 at 09:29
^  You can accuse someone of ignorance, but maybe you should learn to read...I read the article you linked to and nothing in that history article leads to what you are claiming about  that "Israel was created as a strategic military outpost", unless one has a very particular talent for overinterpretation, reading into and distorting what has been written. You are giving a very particular and erroneous reading of what is otherwise considered to be common knowledge. But well, it must be the CIA that has indoctrinated us - common knowledge - to the bone...

You dared to claim that the CIA invented the term "conspiracy theory" as you dare to claim now that they - or other intelligence agencies - invented the term antisemitism. Don't think the CIA, nor their colleagues, existed already in the 19th century... Still, you seem to be convinced about this kind of nonsense. Your choice, but neither historical nor factual. Believe what you want to believe but you are profoundly sticking your head into the sand of "alternative facts". Your choice!

When your thousands of hours of studying and researching these kind of topics lead you to utter this kind of nonsense, maybe you should question what you have been studying all that time...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2024 at 08:41
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Israel was not created as a strategic military outpost (I assume this is the word you wanted to use as opposed to output, which makes even less sense) in the Middle East for the British Crown.

I have never read such rubbish.


Oh the ignorance is so thick you can barely cut it with a knife. Grow the f--k up and learn some history.

EXCERPT: 

With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Britain took over Palestine. In 1917, Britain issued the “Balfour Declaration,” which declared its intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Although protested by the Arab states, the Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was authorized by the League of Nations in 1922. Because of Arab opposition to the establishment of any Jewish state in Palestine, British rule continued throughout the 1920s and ’30s.

Read the whole article for more detail. I have read entire tomes about this and there is NO controversy between those who know what the F they're talking about. Maybe it's time you empty the rubbish and refill the bin with nutritious insight.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/state-of-israel-proclaimed


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2024 at 07:48
Israel was not created as a strategic military outpost (I assume this is the word you wanted to use as opposed to output, which makes even less sense) in the Middle East for the British Crown.

I have never read such rubbish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2024 at 06:08
^ you need to study your history for it to make sense

Start with the founding of Zionism by Theodor Herzl in 1897

And then learn about how Israel was created as a strategic military output in the Middle East for the British Crown


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 23:01
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

[QUOTE=mathman0806]In response to siLLy_puPPy, definitions evolve over time. Today, the term antisemitism is defined as the hostility, prejudice, and discrimination of Jews. The origins don't matter. You can look it up. Wikipedia or any dictionary.

This term didn't evolve. It was propagated through PR campaigns. Regardless, there is no agreed upon meaning of Jew for that matter. Jew refers to a member of a religion. In that regard many do not acknowledge Jews as a distinct ethnicity. The term antisemitism was created to deflect the difference between members of Judaism and those who espouse Zionist supremacy.

Many of us do not use a faux word like antisemitism as it is a psychological trigger for a non sequitur. Believe it or not intelligence agencies like the CIA have created such words to steer the public into swallowing a certain desired agenda.

I don't know anything about the history of the term anti-semitism or its usage. I thought the common definition of jew meant "person of said faith", not some ethnic group. I don't like the concept of "espoused Zionist supremacy" because it's not what's playing out in front of us today, and also your claim that the term was used to give those righteous people more power. That is nonsense. Anti-semitism is not ok, period! When it suits your narrative, you don't get to choose to segregate one sector of people (whose conduct you may less approve of) more than the other. I am talking civilians ofc, not people in office.

I feel anti-semitism is not used enough, because if college campuses took the extremity of the situation into their own hands, you would not be seeing so much of these 'peaceful protests' ending in more jewish students and professors being subjugated to hate crimes and harassment (even physical violence). If the CIA sent one message, it's "anti-semitism is ok, so more of this belittlement of innocent people (who have nothing to do with the war or even Jewish faith) will indirectly restrain Israeli retaliation to Hamas. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 20:51
Perhaps the students hate genocides.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 19:50
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

In response to siLLy_puPPy, definitions evolve over time. Today, the term antisemitism is defined as the hostility, prejudice, and discrimination of Jews. The origins don't matter. You can look it up. Wikipedia or any dictionary.

This term didn't evolve. It was propagated through PR campaigns. Regardless, there is no agreed upon meaning of Jew for that matter. Jew refers to a member of a religion. In that regard many do not acknowledge Jews as a distinct ethnicity. The term antisemitism was created to deflect the difference between members of Judaism and those who espouse Zionist supremacy.

Many of us do not use a faux word like antisemitism as it is a psychological trigger for a non sequitur. Believe it or not intelligence agencies like the CIA have created such words to steer the public into swallowing a certain desired agenda.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 19:29
In response to siLLy_puPPy, definitions evolve over time. Today, the term antisemitism is defined as the hostility, prejudice, and discrimination of Jews. The origins don't matter. You can look it up. Wikipedia or any dictionary.

The original point of the protests were to demand divestment of university funding from Israel and Israeli related entities as well as from military. In that sense, you can say the protesters are anti-Zionists. The protests are similar in nature to the anti-apartheid protests in the 80s that demanded the divestiture from South Africa. That was during my time in college.

Are there individuals who are antisemitic among those protestors? Most likely. Have there been hateful things said? Yes.

Pro Palestine is not equivalent to supporting Hamas or being antisemetic.

It would be simple if all the protestors were anti-semetic and violent in order to justify police crackdowns, but that isn't the case. And when you start using police action as being preemptive action, then you begin to infringe on personal freedoms and encroach on authoritarianism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 18:39
^ I'd tend to agree-- you can be against a pro-Hamas stance and also support the right to protest.   In the same way one may've been against communist regimes but also strongly against the obvious stupidity of the Vietnam war.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 17:51
Anti-Zionism ≠ Antisemitism 

Calling students protesting (including a lot of Jewish ones) the ongoing genocide in Gaza out as bigots and cheering on the police brutality against said protesters is what fascists do. Full stop. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 17:39
It's not possible for Palestineans to be anit-Semitic because they ARE Semitic.

Semitic refers to a language family that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Maltese, Akkadian etc

The term has been corrupted to mean anti-Jewish but if you look up the word Semitic is has nothing to do with Judaism.

Adding the prefix anti- to any word NEVER changes its meaning in English therefore this term in reference to Judaism is nothing but a media corruption

The correct terminology when it comes to these issues is anti-Zionism because Zionism is an ideology that most self-identifying Jews do not espouse.

You do not have to be Jewish to be a Zionist as evidenced by the leaders of the world

If the public is so easily swayed by such terminological distortions then it's little wonder they keep spinning their wheels regarding these issues

Calling someone anti-Semitic for not supporting an illegal (by UN and international law) occupation is a gross b*****dization of the term

In linguistic terms anti-Semitic refers to hatred towards ANY Semitic language speaking peoples which Arabs and Palestinians are very much a part of

Linguists and scholars do not use this term as the media has brainwashed everyone else to use




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 17:19
I like Bernie Sanders Take on this matter, and I am no fan of Bernies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 06:16
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by bardberic bardberic wrote:

I'm so done with this and I really don't give a sh*t about anything else anymore. Ban me got this rent if you want. I don't care.

You use a lot of words for someone pretending not giving a sh*t...

Adopting Netanyahu's rhetoric by making believe it is "plain and simple" doesn't make it that; it just shows your intolerance. It is that famous binary "if you're not with us, you're against us" logic that is at the core of the problem and both "sides" (and by that I mean Hamas vs Netanyahu and his government; not Israel vs Palestine) are guilty of oversimplification, because it serves their - extremist - ideologies.
Hamas has to be combated and condemned, just as Netanyahu and his genocidal government. A majority of Palestinians and Israelis want peace.

Now, to bring in some nuance that you are lacking, here are some interesting opinion pieces, starting with some words from a couple of students involved (which doesn't mean that some students aren't antisemitic, it just shows that it is not valid for all "these" students):


suitkees, you have made some very important points...I have a Jewish friend who states over and over (and rightly so) that to be against the genocide in Gaza doesn't mean one is anti-semitic (and as far as anti-semitism, she knows whereof she speaks-her father as a young child narrowly escaped the Nazis during WW2!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 04:20
Originally posted by bardberic bardberic wrote:

I'm so done with this and I really don't give a sh*t about anything else anymore. Ban me got this rent if you want. I don't care.

You use a lot of words for someone pretending not giving a sh*t...

Adopting Netanyahu's rhetoric by making believe it is "plain and simple" doesn't make it that; it just shows your intolerance. It is that famous binary "if you're not with us, you're against us" logic that is at the core of the problem and both "sides" (and by that I mean Hamas vs Netanyahu and his government; not Israel vs Palestine) are guilty of oversimplification, because it serves their - extremist - ideologies.
Hamas has to be combated and condemned, just as Netanyahu and his genocidal government. A majority of Palestinians and Israelis want peace.

Now, to bring in some nuance that you are lacking, here are some interesting opinion pieces, starting with some words from a couple of students involved (which doesn't mean that some students aren't antisemitic, it just shows that it is not valid for all "these" students):



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2024 at 03:57

Netanyahu supported Hamas.  


https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/16/how-benjamin-netanyahu-empowered-hamas/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2024 at 20:25
^ Well said
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2024 at 20:21
^ Standing up for yourself can mean losing friends.   It's the price of courage in the face of ignorance.
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