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    Posted: February 08 2024 at 10:30
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Land of my birth - England. I can be 'British' but then it's like calling someone from Norway 'Scandinavian'. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England is the UK. Take away Northern Ireland and you have 'Great Britain' so technically no one from Northern Ireland can be British but they are more or less governed by the British government , although the devolved government there is a coalition of Sinn fein and the Democratic Unionist Party (the former pushing for a united Ireland, the latter for retaining ties with the UK). What does this mean for prog, absolutely no idea Big smile

To makes matters more confusing, Great Britain and Ireland are part of the what is called the British Isles. So, maybe Northern Irish can refer to themselves as British if they choose to? 
I've sidestepped that potential pitfall by including ALL Irish artists in my latest Prog Folk Britannia blog, regardless of whether they're from Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland. After all, I couldn't possibly ignore Enya and Clannad's large contribution to Prog Folk from the British Isles. Smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Land of my birth - England. I can be 'British' but then it's like calling someone from Norway 'Scandinavian'. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England is the UK. Take away Northern Ireland and you have 'Great Britain' so technically no one from Northern Ireland can be British but they are more or less governed by the British government , although the devolved government there is a coalition of Sinn fein and the Democratic Unionist Party (the former pushing for a united Ireland, the latter for retaining ties with the UK). What does this mean for prog, absolutely no idea Big smile

To makes matters more confusing, Great Britain and Ireland are part of the what is called the British Isles. So, maybe Northern Irish can refer to themselves as British if they choose to? 
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^ I suppose of the major acts that's largely true. I can only think of Marillion that are a fly in the ointment so to speak. I believe Welsh heavy prog band Lone Star should have been bigger but that's beside the point. Both bands also had English guys in the line ups!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Land of my birth - England. I can be 'British' but then it's like calling someone from Norway 'Scandinavian'. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England is the UK. Take away Northern Ireland and you have 'Great Britain' so technically no one from Northern Ireland can be British but they are more or less governed by the British government , although the devolved government there is a coalition of Sinn fein and the Democratic Unionist Party (the former pushing for a united Ireland, the latter for retaining ties with the UK). What does this mean for prog, absolutely no idea Big smile
A large portion of British progressive music acts were or are concentrated in England. @Chiyo was only exact.
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^ yeah that never ceases to be funny LOL
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Land of my birth - England. I can be 'British' but then it's like calling someone from Norway 'Scandinavian'. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England is the UK. Take away Northern Ireland and you have 'Great Britain' so technically no one from Northern Ireland can be British but they are more or less governed by the British government , although the devolved government there is a coalition of Sinn fein and the Democratic Unionist Party (the former pushing for a united Ireland, the latter for retaining ties with the UK). What does this mean for prog, absolutely no idea Big smile

Thanks, I lived and worked there for a few years (Exeter, Devon UK) and never had it explained to me as nicely as you just did! 

I would say "United Kingdom," since many of my own prog heroes hail from there!  Percy Jones (Welsh), Annie Lennox (Scottish) and so forth.  And, also THIS gent! 
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Land of my birth - England. I can be 'British' but then it's like calling someone from Norway 'Scandinavian'. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England is the UK. Take away Northern Ireland and you have 'Great Britain' so technically no one from Northern Ireland can be British but they are more or less governed by the British government , although the devolved government there is a coalition of Sinn fein and the Democratic Unionist Party (the former pushing for a united Ireland, the latter for retaining ties with the UK). What does this mean for prog, absolutely no idea Big smile
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Originally posted by Golden Mean Golden Mean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Golden Mean Golden Mean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:



To this day, it remains.

So not UK/Great Britain, just England?! ConfusedLOL
Well, it is similar to football. England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are the distinct Home Nations teams that represent the United Kingdom in international football.

Why are you answering for someone else?! ConfusedLOL
I thought your question was directed at me.

My bad, I quoted chiyo, I was hoping for an answer from him, if he's still around. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Golden Mean Golden Mean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:



To this day, it remains.

So not UK/Great Britain, just England?! ConfusedLOL
Well, it is similar to football. England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are the distinct Home Nations teams that represent the United Kingdom in international football.

Why are you answering for someone else?! ConfusedLOL
I thought your question was directed at me.
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Originally posted by Golden Mean Golden Mean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:



To this day, it remains.

So not UK/Great Britain, just England?! ConfusedLOL
Well, it is similar to football. England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are the distinct Home Nations teams that represent the United Kingdom in international football.

Why are you answering for someone else?! ConfusedLOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:



To this day, it remains.

So not UK/Great Britain, just England?! ConfusedLOL
Well, it is similar to football. England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are the distinct Home Nations teams that represent the United Kingdom in international football.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

As a well-appreciated band, I'd like to mention TesseracT. Formed in Buckinghamshire, England, in 2003,  TesseracT is credited as one of the bands to pioneer the djent strand in the progressive metal genre. The group is well known for its intricate compositions and unusual time signatures. Playing progressive music that straddles the line between metal and djent, TesseracT conjures up strong cerebral imagery and sounds like progressive music of the future—at least for the younger generation of today.

Very good band indeed, one of the few djent bands I enjoy. It helps that they have a great vocalist. Tongue
This video features Dan Tompkins live vocal performance. He is really an exceptional singer. And TesseracT is indeed a successful modern prog band.
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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:



To this day, it remains.

So not UK/Great Britain, just England?! ConfusedLOL


Edited by Cristi - February 07 2024 at 03:14
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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:



To this day, it remains.
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Originally posted by duchamp duchamp wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

It's a trick question. Prog isn't successful anywhere.
It was successful back in its heyday, but if you're talking about nowadays it's underground af.

Anyway I'd say Central Europe and the good ol' USA if we're talking about dope Avant-Prog.

Hi,

Like a lot of arts, things are not always top of the pops or "successful". The main issue here is that we only declare something "successful" when we find that it sold XXXXXXXXXXXXX numbers of something ... and these days, this is difficult to figure out, since so many bands can distribute their own, and thus having their own numbers.

The record company likes to make the case that it doesn't sell, like Taylor or Beyonce, but it does that on purpose to make anything else look poor and not a good commercial product, which we know is not true since so many bands have done really well without the record company! Even to the point of bands doing their own right from the start ... or having the fans drive it ... go ask PT or Marillion about that ... who needs the record company?

The sad side of things is that we only look at numbers. There couldn't possibly be anything else in the work at all ... is just not true and we need to start trashing the "numbers" ... in favor of the art itself ... but that may be another issue ... in the end, we don't believe in the art! It's all pop music ... is what the numbers tell you!

I'm not sure that there is a nation that is more successful than the other in prog, or jazz, or anything else ... they are all owned by the same group/groups! 

Thus, something that takes away from their own sales will always have not only bad numbers, it will also be thought of as poor and bad ... and often ignored. I'm not sure it matters which country this would be!
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The last time I was in Toronto (I think in 2000), the HMV on Yonge Street had a prog section on its second floor. I don't believe that place is in business anymore. There was also a store called Black Planet on Queen Street that had a prog section. Black Planet was also Si-Wan Records' distribution center outside of South Korea. I remember buying TFK's Flower Power there, which was hard to get in the States at the time. I think Black Planet disappeared in the early 2000s.

In NYC there were two CD stores that had prog sections around the late 1990s into the early 2000s: Outer Music, which I believe was around the corner from The Strand bookstore. I remember they had a lot of Eloy CDs there. The other store, which I can't remember the name of, focused more on psych stuff and was about 3-4 blocks east of The Strand and was in the basement of a house. I wish I could remember what that place was called.

I haven't been to Manhattan or Toronto in the last 20 years.


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^also variations of combined Prog/Psych/Spacerock-sections
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^I don't think I've ever seen a prog section in USA or the UK (or more specifically in New York or London. I did come across one in either Glasgow, Edinburgh or Dublin). But in my experience, progsections in record stores I've visited all over Europe is not particularly unusual at all. Progfans are passionate about their music and among those who seriously buys and collect albums + are willing to spend a lot of money for music. It would be bad for business not to make yourself attractive for this group of costumers. Record store owners/workers are often progfans themselves. I often see the relevant genres separated into something like: Progressive Rock, Jazzrock, (Progressive) Electronic, Experimental and surprisingly often: Krautrock. I'd say all these sections are just as common - or more than New Wave/Post-Punk.

+there's been several progsections at every single record fair I've ever been to. But that's perhaps less surprising.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Cool! Any record stores with a prog section outside USA?

In my limited experience (although it does include a trip to Cologne to take in a massive record store that you could spend a whole day wandering around) you will get seperate sections for metal and punk/indie but not for prog. Generally there will be a rock section which conventionally means 'classic rock' and will include all your ELP, Yes, Floyd and Tull etc etc. 
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^Cool! Any record stores with a prog section outside USA?
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