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Frets N Worries 
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 Topic: October 2023 New Release ReportPosted: December 10 2023 at 18:47 |
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richardh
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Posted: November 24 2023 at 23:33 |
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yeah I had a proper listen yesterday and really enjoyed it. Nice variety of ideas and indeed flows effortlessly
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 24 2023 at 07:49 |
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Please word it less ambiguously. Even in this reply you complain about "just songs", so what is it? Either short tracks can be progressive (which you also said and scorned me for misinterpreting you) or not (which you also hinted at).
Wrong. What you are describing is merely one single aspect of what makes music "progressive". Sure, some prog epics are the epitome of prog, but even those are often comprised of shorter sections which could well be individual tracks.
The amount of cognitive dissonance is staggering. Make up your mind, will you?
Well, I'm glad to hear something that I can finally agree with. When I'm calling for more blurbs, rest assured that I have the well-written ones in mind.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 24 2023 at 06:13 |
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HI, Sad that you interpret it that way. There is a lot of short stuff that fits as "progressive" just like there is enough long material that is not "progressive". It is my preference not to review a lot of things that are mostly just songs, and lack the progressive idea per definition and description, but we made the call because of its sound, not the music! Leave it to you to misinterpret the intent of the comment. However, I come from the artistic, literary style of the arts, and a lot of stuff that is out there is just a bunch of songs, that do not really add up to a "concept" or even to something that could be considered "progressive" ... length is not, indeed, the rule for "progressive" and should not be ... but the 3 minute cut should not be, either, especially as we are so fond of the solo and the format, which a short piece would lack ... thus not even "fitting" within the definition or description of what we consider "progressive". I'm not "against" blurbs. It's just my preference to be more detailed if possible and not merely succumb to the internet fueled number of shorter comments that many times do not really add or say much of anything about the content. Within a "blurb" it is much easier to not say more, though some might not feel the need. But, yes, there are some blurbs that are really well written. No question on that!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 23:09 |
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^ Listening to Paul Dunmall now - your description was enough to pique my interest. https://awesomeprog.com/artists/22010
I think that both for blurbs and lengthy reviews it depends greatly on their content. A well written blurb will make you curious about the release precisely when there is a good chance that you will like it. Consider this one for the Vamoosery release: "Great Art Rock with sophisticated female vocals and distinctly progressive elements throughout, especially in the second half of the album." These few details, combined with a high rating, might be all that is required for people to "risk" taking a listen, if they happen to be interested in female fronted art rock.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 17:21 |
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If its a reviewer I trust and know their tastes align with mine then I'll read a full review as it will give me insights I'll probably miss elsewhere but if its people I don't know I'm typically looking for trigger words that pique my interest. A well written extensive review would never spoil my first listen as that is an intensely personal experience. Currently listening to the Paul Dunmall Ensemble - It's A Matter Of Fact album based on terrific professional reviews an its kicking me in the ass, loving it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 16:57 |
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I wouldn't go that far ... of course there are many well-written lengthy reviews as well. There's three levels of feedback - a rating, a short review (blurb, not possible at PA) and a lengthy review. I think that all three can be quite helpful, and ratings and blurbs are more useful for people looking for new music to listen to, while lengthy reviews can be quite interesting to read once you are more familiar with a release and want to know more about it. Imagine a really long and detailed review for a release you have not listened to yet - wouldn't reading it spoil the fun of listening to it? I'd prefer having just a few vague pointers.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 16:51 |
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^^ And along the same lines, as someone looking for music to listen to I'd also rather read ten well-written blurbs for different releases than one long piece about one album. Occasionally I'll read longer reviews as well, but usually I simply don't have the time. There is too much good music, and I'd rather spend my time listening to it than reading about it.
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 16:48 |
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This is the world we live in, the multitude of blurbs are much more beneficial than the solo well written extensive review, c'est la vie.
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 16:44 |
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As an artist I'd rather get ten encouraging blurbs by well-meaning listeners than one meandering, self-praising review by a beligerent prog snob.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 16:41 |
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^ Sounds like pure ignorance to me. "shorter" = "pop"? That's about as wrong as to think that "longer" = "progressive".
Well, enjoy this "pop song".  |
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 16:20 |
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Hi, "Progressive" for me, is not about "pop songs", thus a lot of short stuff is not really "progressive" in my book. Sure, even many of the "progressive" heavy weights had smaller material, but not a lot of their "major" work is often not all the smaller pieces of music. Some groups "bend" the idea, like Jethro Tull, but in my book, not all of JT is "progressive" ... as Ian himself has stated (in Rick Wakeman's special!!!) that everything that can be done in rock music has been done! I don't consider these "reviews" or "blurbs" ... just immediate reactions to some of the music, though I behaved and listened to the whole album. If it were longer in response, I would have created a complete review, but as much as some stuff is really nice, I am not wanting to do a full review. I don't want to do "blurbs" because it is in line with "songs" and the obliteration of "progressive music" from its original days, by people that only like songs, not the music itself. To me, as an artist, a "blurb" would be insulting if my album was three pieces at 20 minutes each ... creating a blurb for Klaus Schulze, or Tangerine Dream (as examples) means ... you're not into it to listen ... just to hunt and peck as many rock reviewers did in the old days, and folks still do nowadays. Real reviews are more "dedicated" to the work, and appreciative of it, rather than a one line that doesn't really say enough about the music. You will not get me to do blurbs at your website, and you do not have permission to use any of my comments. The Library of Congress has a complete copy of all the work I have through my website. Only PA (and various artists) have my permission!
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 09:13 |
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^ shorter tracks are less progressive? Not a useful rule, since there are many exceptions.
Some of these comments would be nice blurbs at AP! Some may even qualify as reviews here … |
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Posted: November 23 2023 at 07:18 |
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Tiger Moth Tales - The Turning Of The World
In this particular album, there are two long pieces that are excellent. The piece "We'll Remember" is very special and I ended up playing it a few times, because that is exactly how music hits us ... and we remember a few notes or refrains. Very special all around, and not even something that should be considered "progressive" but at least in a couple of pieces, this is spectacular, and the care and touch with which these two pieces are put together, is a special moment. Most rock music sticks to the riff, but here, the words and the feeling they incur, is what this all seems to be about. Chandelier - We Can Fly An interesting album, not exactly progressive, but really well thought out rock music. It is lyric driven, but it seems to follow the ideas and the lyrics well, and you don't get the feeling that this is simply overbearing material with unnecessary solos. The continuity of the music is well thought out and neat. Not a great album, but it is a nice listen from beginning to the end,although some might say a thing or two about the vocals, which are nice, if not exactly perfect. All in all a nice, pleasant listen, though we might not say that it is super special and superior to a lot of things out there. It's just very nice and enjoyable. Water Damage - Tubby's 093023 I suppose that this is listed as "krautrock" because it is kinda like listening to Amon Duul's first albums before their split. But in the end, I found this listen rather ... lacking ... and maybe the recording is the problem, because most of what you hear is the "noise" and nothing else. In the old recordings from50 plus years ago, at least you felt that you were tripping along, and, sadly, in this case I did not find it "trippy" at all ... maybe too much of that fake ganja pump! But, I never thought that the early thing was "senseless" and above all "mindless" ... it had a feeling of wanting you to be a part of it, and this seemed to be missing at this listen ... I could not find a thread to slip into my inner movie. Ulver - Grieghallen 20180528 Interesting to see this listed as "Math Rock" when this particular album is really more about the "trip" than it is about it being something else. It is loud, busy, and strong, and even the lyrics seem to be important, but nothing in this performance (a live one!) seems to suggest that this band is not special, and definitely attuned to the longer cuts and pieces, and a special way to demonstrate that within an instrumental section, which is excellent. This is much more of a meditative style for the band, even if its sound might be considered harder and harsher, something that we do not usually associate with a meditative idea. And it is well done, and not in a hurry, to finish the song, or get to the solo kind of thing, which is a real breath of fresh air! In some ways, this would seem to fit better as some kind of "krautrock" for its clear improvisations and development of ideas in the long pieces, very visible in the main piece "Coming Home". The other 2 special pieces are "Rolling Stone" and "So Falls The World". All in all a very nice and enjoyable listen, and for once, it is not like other bands. Things Falling Apart - We Can Rust The World Into The Dust Of The Universe This is an interesting mix of things, and it is a sort of jam that never ends, and it has quite far out moments, and while it might seem like music designed to allow your mind to flow, the sounds are not rough though it has moments that would be thought of as loud rock material, but it does not descend into the category of a format ... it simply continues on its road. Interesting material, not exactly exciting through its musicianship, but it stands up well, and sounds good, with lots of noise and feedback, of course ... but it is nice and not overdone. One thing ... it almost sounds like a not so quiet Popol Vuh in parts. Weird, hey? Jay Tausig - Elysium A very nice, soft and neat album, that has a lot of peace in it, and is very enjoyable. Might be considered "space rock", although I would rather think this should be notes as "trip rock", since it stays on its quiet mode and continues on, without being pretentious or show some kind of form that suggests that this is not exactly just about the music itself. This is well done stuff, and likely well thought out. Super nice, and a welcome addition for any folks that like "new age", that is not a song. It's just a floating piece of music. Zone Six - Full Mental Jacket Nonstop rock. Considered psychedelic and space rock, probably because it is nonstop and very long pieces. They are enjoyable if yo like nonstop material that won't quit on a riff, and continues on, to new places, making it intersting and enjoyable. Not great in my book, but very nice and OK to sit back and just close your eyes ... it's good. Some might think it repetitive, but tripping stuff often has that, but I did not think it was over done here at all. At times it reminds me of Hawkwind without lyrics ... just trip music. Teeth of the Sea - Hive Quiet, interesting and introspective, although the longer piece is not as quiet, but it is still interesting. Not sure why it is called space rock, or psychedelic, but it is trippy in its own way. Goat - Medicine "Shall we practice a little meditation, together?" Interesting start to this album and off it goes if you are into it. Close your eyes and fly! But, lyrics? Hmmmm More ... as I get to them all. I skipped a couple that only had small songs. Just not progressive enough for me.
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Not exactly. There's Echolyn adjacency, but this should hopefully sum up the family tree: Echolyn (1989-1995, 2000-): Chris Buzby, *Tom Hyatt, Brett Kull, *Jordan Perlson, *Paul Ramsey, *Jesse Reyes, Ray Weston Still/Always Almost (1996-98): Brett Kull, Paul Ramsey, Ray Weston Finneus Gauge (1996-2000): Chris Buzby, Jonn Buzby, Chris Eike, Laura Martin, Scott McGill Land of Chocolate (2000-): Jonn Buzby, John Covach, Wesley Hare, *John Jens, Brian O'Neill, *Jordan Perlson, *Sam Richardson, Gerald Wilson Damn Fine Coffee (2010-): Jonn Buzby, *Wesley Hare, *Jason Rehm *former members Brett Kull (Echolyn) also produced and guested on 2001's Unikorn on the Cob. Got all that? ;)
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Reviewed this evening on my website at www.lazland.org Was it worth waiting for??.............
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Weren't they Ex-Echolyn musicians ? |
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Greatly appreciate the shout-out, and want to thank everyone who has taken the leap and purchased the album thus far! We're thankful to finally get this album out there, and even more thrilled with the response... looking forward to the next one already!
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Hi,
On the umpteenth listen already ... this is fantastic stuff. Not pretentious and just a wonderful music flow. Wish I knew what the little clips are (dictators?) in a couple of pieces, but in the end, they do not detract from the work itself, which is extremely "symphonic", for lack of a better term. Love to hear new things that just floor you altogether ... and unlike too many of the "progressive" things, this is just great music, that makes the copy cat stuff look very poor. I don't see any listing for musicians, but if this is a one person job, then it is an even bigger WOW. For sticking with his feel and music and not worrying about anything else. Very nice ... very nice!
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