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siLLy puPPy
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^ totally agree about Riverside and Haken switching places here :) Yeah in the 70s most bands today are labeled as both hard rock and heavy metal because every album featured songs that were indeed heavy metal and songs that weren't heavy enough to escape the confines of hard rock status. In the 2000s even neo-prog bands have added metal elements after Porcupine Tree took metal into the world of space rock. Even Hawkwind started out with a near metal guitar heft with their unique space rock. Some of the newer prog / avant / metal bands are much more rooted in 20th century classical than anything from the world of rock or trad metal. It's a full time job keeping up with it!
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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^You're right. There's especially blurry lines when we talk about the distinction between heavy prog and prog metal. This site has Haken as heavy prog and Riverside as prog metal where if anything it should be the other way around. At some point some prog bands started to put metal in their- prog without being prog metal (and it's hard to say when it started -although a band I mention a bit on here called Mastermind might have been one of the first - not counting someone like King Crimson) . Even back in the 70s there was a blur between hard rock and metal and I have read that Aerosmith, Ted Nugent and Kiss were all considered heavy metal back then (probably Van Halen too).
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siLLy puPPy
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If this was a list of my personal favorites it would've been waaaaaaay different! I don't like Genesis much at all and probably wouldn't have made it on the list at all! Thanks for the kind words :) Yeah and the distinctions between rock and metal have been blurred in the 21st century so i see no reason to not mix them. Same with certain electronic and folk bands. And of course nobody will agree with any list! That's why i made my own :)
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Wow. Great job and great list! I don't agree with everything 100 percent but then again it's not your list of personal favorites anyway (although I'm sure you like a lot as do I). I'm not really much into prog metal but being how popular it seems to be you can't really not include it. Anyway, thanks for doing it.
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Cristi
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You're probably right, I just think these two genres of music have specific audiences, with specific expectations generally (if that makes sense).
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essexboyinwales
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Metal has to be waaay bigger than prog. Yes Cristi, depends where you live, but Spotify ain’t wrong on this overall….
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Cristi
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Research from spotify?! I LOLed and cringed at the same time. I wonder what metal bands are so popular on spotyfry. Other than the famous ones and whatever is trending now in the mainstream. You ignored what i previously said. It depends where you live. If you don't get that, I'll just see myself out... |
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siLLy puPPy
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^ no way. Metal is one of the most popular genres EVER Approximately 1500 metal albums are on the RYM top 10,000 album list of all time. That's competing with every genre ever invented Dozens of bands have sold millions and millions of albums not just Metallica and then there's this: Pop and other genres of music are constantly playing on commercials,
radio, and TV. It is usual for people to assume that heavy metal music
is no longer a thing. Research conducted by Spotify reveals that heavy
metal is the most popular music genre Likewise metal is one of the most popular styles of prog Is it THE MOST popular genre of all time? Nope but it's more than just a niche at this point. It's a force to be reckoned with
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Cristi
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A few albums that sold well does not mean the genre is popular. It also depends where you live. There are countries where it is more popular than other places. It depends on the subgenre, some are more popular than others.
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siLLy puPPy
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^ metal a niche genre? No way. It's always been more popular than prog. It never stopped being popular since the 1980s. Metallica's Black Album has sold over 35 million copies! No prog band can even come close.
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Cristi
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Popularity of metal?! Again generalizing. It's still a niche genre, just like prog.
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David_D
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Anyway, with the popularity of Metal, it may turn again, as ELP is more Metal-like than Camel.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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But it's maybe not quite sure that Camel is in general more appreciated today than ELP. It would be good with some other significant sources than RYM and PA.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Frets N Worries
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Reasons to love ELP 1) The whole idea of Tarkus 2) They made some decent 90s songs in Black Moon which I will defend 3) Underrated Classics (which INCLUDES MEMOIRS OF AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN AND I WILL FIGHT Y'ALL FOR THIS) 4) Keith Emerson flying around with a piano |
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I guess Camel is in general higher rated today, while ELP was without doubt a much greater pioneer of Progressive Rock. I still find them to be greater Prog than Camel, even I love The Snow Goose. Edited by David_D - August 11 2023 at 04:26 |
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siLLy puPPy
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Of course some like ELP more than Camel but if you go by the overall ratings on PA and RYM then Camel leaves ELP in the dust.
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Cristi
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examples?!
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Similarities between Prog Metal and Neo-Prog are also obvious when looking at at least some of the artwork.
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My 27yr old Nephew also likes ELP although admittedly he enjoys Floyd a lot more (and loves Animals). Funnily enough I did mention Camel as another band he should check out (I've stopped short of suggesting Gentle Giant and VDGG just yet!)
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Frets N Worries
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As part of Gen Z, I love ELP WAY more than Camel. |
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