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    Posted: August 03 2004 at 10:53
Talkin of Phil 'Bleedin' Collins he has been on the radio five times today!!!!! Dont know what station my colleagues have the radio jammed on, but I suspect it's Capital (punishment)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 10:50

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You are 100% right, but Invisible Touch is so bad, so totally awful I am at pains to recognise it as the same band. It didn't even ocour to me to think of Invisible Touch!! Thats Phil Collins, as far as I'm concerned, not Genesis..

'Follow you follow me' cuts deeper with me because I like ATTWT as an album, and FYFM was an unusually flacid end to a Genesis album. It was the defining moment when Genesis proved they could be an awful dissapointment. From then on you kinda expected it.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 10:17
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

'Follow you follow me' by Genesis. It didn't really represent Genesis at the time, although it showed where they were going. The song is just poor, and I know for a fact their producer David Hentschel, didn't want it on ATTWT, because it was so crap.

The tune always makes me yawn and feel slightly queazy.

Also, anything by Asia, single or otherwise is total bollards..

 Yet follow me follow you wasn't the worse GENESIS could come up with,I reckon'coz you don't like that single you're refusing listenin'to their album/cd'And there were three'. If you think that was crap try'Invisible Touch'both the single and the album/cd,and see what you think of'em then!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 10:06

'Follow you follow me' by Genesis. It didn't really represent Genesis at the time, although it showed where they were going. The song is just poor, and I know for a fact their producer David Hentschel, didn't want it on ATTWT, because it was so crap.

The tune always makes me yawn and feel slightly queazy.

Also, anything by Asia, single or otherwise is total bollards..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 07:20
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

However, in context, the 4 Seasons suite (of 4 complete 3-movement concerti) is very exciting, a dramatic example of programme music (music written to express something specific as opposed to simply "Concerto for Violin in G Major"), and hence the earliest piece of prog imaginable.

Possibly.




Interesting slant, Cert

Does this make grand opera the earliest 'concept album'?

Wagner's 'Ring' cycle definitely divides opera lovers as much as Yes's 'Topographic Oceans' - either love it, or hate it - very few inbetweens!

Further - 'Nessun Dorma' from Puccini's 'Tosca' has had so much airplay over the years, this must qualify it as a single from a concept album......

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 07:10

Both "Kayleigh" and "Lavender" have suffered horribly after being released and over-played as singles. As part of the concept of "Misplaced Childhood", both work very well, but out of context they become horrible FM Radio MOR ballads and thus end up tarnished.

It's a bit like having only heard one part of one movement from a single concerto of Vivaldi's 4 Seasons over and over again (I hate those phone systems for that!) - you could soon start thinking that Vivaldi is boring. However, in context, the 4 Seasons suite (of 4 complete 3-movement concerti) is very exciting, a dramatic example of programme music (music written to express something specific as opposed to simply "Concerto for Violin in G Major"), and hence the earliest piece of prog imaginable.

Possibly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 06:59

 Too Funny

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

Radiohead - Creep

Ahh - the irony!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 19:13
I disslike singles altogether but i'll push that aside.

I think "Soon" by Yes was a bad single because on its own it doesnt seem that great but when you hear it as part of "Gates of Delirium" it sounds really good and fits in after the guitar/keyboard battle mellows out and jon sings this heartwarming piece. It doesn't have much impact on its own but it was amazingly approprietly placed in GOD.

Same with "Total Mass Retain", it didnt show off much greatness of the masterpiece "Close to the Edge" at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 03:20
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I always felt Uriah Heep tried too hard to find a hit single. Tracks like "Something or nothing" and "Prima donna" were blatantly commercial, and not really representative of their best work.


And let's not forget the truly horrible 'on the rebound' from 'Abominog': '80's pop rock at its worst - and from Uriah Heep!

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned 'Another brick in the wall' - Pink Floyd's surprise number one single; even on the album it stood out like a sore thumb; I can only guess this was Waters's ironic, yet cynical attempt at a hit single.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2004 at 13:08

I'll go by the other side:

Twilight Allehouse and Happy the Man were two hit singles released by Genesis:

Happy the Man was an A side (and not B side as many people believed) with Seven Stones as B side.

Twilight Alehouse was B side of I Know What I Like.

Both songs deserved to be part of an album because have more quality than More Fool Me, For Absent Friends and IMHO even than I Know What I Like.

So both were bad choices for hit singles when really deserved to be part of an album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 23:04

All:

While I agree with "Lucky Man," "Owner of a Lonely Heart," and, especially, "I Know What I Like," I'd have to add "Roundabout" (as good as it is, it is not really representative of extreme complexity of most of Yes' music), "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" (same comment) and "Nights in White Satin" (same comment).  I'm sure I'll think of others.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 11:20

Originally posted by Marcelo Marcelo wrote:

A single represents the intention to be on the radio for masses, through a simple and basic song. Valid point, and what a surprise after buy! (Imagine some guy who likes melodic pop in '70s buying -i.e.- ELP's BSS cause he heard "Still... You Turn Me On").   

Actually he probably would have loved it... Its the guy who bought the first ELP album after listening to Lucky Man... and then hearing "The Three Fates".  That beginning organ solo even scared me the first time...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 11:10
A single represents the intention to be on the radio for masses, through a simple and basic song. Valid point, and what a surprise after buy! (Imagine some guy who likes melodic pop in '70s buying -i.e.- ELP's BSS cause he heard "Still... You Turn Me On").   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 09:57
Led Zep never had a bad choice of single release in the UK - they never released one!!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 04:28

The Strawbs biggest hit was "Part of the Union", which was totally unrepresentative of their sound. It wasn't even Dave Cousins singing on it! Hudson Ford, who were the guilty parties went on to have sucess as a duet, then transformed into the Monks, and hit the charts again with "Nice legs, shame about the face". LOL

I always felt Uruah Heep tried too ahrd to find a hit single. Tracks like "Somehting or nothing" and "Prima donna" were blatantly commercial, and not really representative of their best work.

Curved Air's "Back Street Luv" was a good single, but once again, did not represent their work well. Can't have been a "bad" choice though, it was a huge hit!

Prior to "Lady in red", Chris De Burgh had buit up a soild reputation, touring in support of Supertramp and releasing haighly rated albums like "Spanish Train and other short stories". He may have had a massive hit, but he lost all the credibility he ha agined with that one single. (John Denver is a similar story with "Annie's song").

Rick Wakeman released a single called "I'm so stright I'm a weirdo", and Yes the song is as bad as the title.Confused

Also ran - "Hi ho silver lining" -Jeff Beck, "Disco Boy" - Frank Zappa, "The laughing gnome" - David Bowie

I guess if a single's a hit, it can't have been a "bad" choice as such, as the main aim of singles is to broaden awareness of the artist. Bad choices are the ones which aren't hits.LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 03:34
Singles are a "Most Representative" of a bands accomplishments..... Especially of the forum herein..... Progressive Rock !!!!!!!!!   Does not everyone want to be successful ??????? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 03:33

I agree with Three Fates about Lucky Man - it has many recognisable ELP elements

Others:

I know What I Like - Genesis (the very beginning of Genesis doing 'pop'??) 

Catfood - King Crimson (too humurous for Crimson!)

Stairway To Heaven - Led Zep (this track is a bit of a 'yawn' to me!)

Fanfare For The Common Man - ELP (one tempo for the whole track - not usual for ELP!)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 02:48
Was Kayleigh and Pull me Under an accurate picture of Marillion and Dream Theater at the time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 23:48
Radiohead - Creep
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 23:42

 

"A single is the antithesis of progressive music, right?" Not necessarily... what about 'Wondrous Stories' by Yes, or 'Limelight' by Rush, 'House of the King' by Focus?

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