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    Posted: August 14 2023 at 07:09
Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Am I the only one who's annoyed that the Zappa stuff isn't corrected in the OP yet?


I'll update it when I'm done with the 300-500 ratings addition (it should be substantial to say the least). Just need to get over procrastinating about adding the rest of the Klaus Schulze repertoire that fits the criteria. Smile

I also wanted at least one other person to chime in wrt the extra Zappa you said I shouldn't have added. It seems avant enough to be on the list if you ask me! If it doesn't qualify, I'm not sure what that says about the Tangerine and Klaus stuff. Wink

Anywho, I'd consult the Spotify list for a full list of the epics that's currently relevant.
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Who rates prog by tracks? For me it's albums only. Epic tracks contribute to great albums.

A while back i made a list on RYM that featured every album with 20 minute prog tracks.

Not meant to be rating system but a handy reference

Since it's impossible for one person to keep up with all the epic prog these days

Any suggestions would be appreciated :)

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This Is the 21st Century
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Am I the only one who's annoyed that the Zappa stuff isn't corrected in the OP yet?
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Originally posted by bardberic bardberic wrote:

Now that Avenged Sevenfold is here, we have another:

Exist:


Nice, but they need to have a high enough number of ratings to fit the criteria for being added first. Wink Still, curious the band went full avant-garde this late into their career. Clap

Having recently returned to adding artists to this playlist, I got stuck on Klaus Schulze. I've already added 61 songs of his, and it's not over yet! LOL
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Now that Avenged Sevenfold is here, we have another:

Exist:


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Should we include this Yes song too?



Totally disregarded it.


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You could add Falling For Forever to the Spock's Beard list. I know it was specially written for a compilation album but it is Spock's Beard.
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Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

No one's gonna point out that "Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra and Chorus" is not a song?


Any more comments on this bit? It may not be a song, but it's a composition


No, it's not. It's a group of people. Zappa used the Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra to record the song/composition/album called Lumpy Gravy, and used a later line-up to record stuff in 1975. There's two versions of Lumpy Gravy even.
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Thanks a lot for the feedback, everyone! I've included the following previously missing epics into the playlist:
Echolyn     A Suite for the Everyman
Spock's Beard    A Guy Named Sid
Yes    Mind Drive, That, That Is
Frank Zappa    Billy the Mountain, The Purple Lagoon
Alan Parsons Project    The Fall of the House of Usher
Jethro Tull    Baker St. Muse

I haven't updated the list in the opening post yet, but I will when I add the expansion (see the very bottom of the post).

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Very cool!!! But Yes has 11 epics...


Having added Mind Drive and That, That is, I'm still only counting 9. What are the other two?

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Everyone is free to do as they please, but an actual definition of "epic" should be a little more complicated than something that lasts for 15 minutes or more. That just tells you it's a track that lasts long. Nothing more. One can say that a song is of epic length, but 16 minutes of bleeping sounds doesn't make for an epic.


I do intend to keep manually removing songs that I don't consider to be prog (see Devin Townsend and PTree examples in the OP).

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

- What is a song?
Another question that makes me sound braindead, without which the idea cannot really be adequately fulfilled. Is Shine On You Crazy Diamond a single song or two? What about Dream Theater's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? Knowing more about the artist's intention each individual case would surely help, and I mostly used my intuition to see it through, so in some cases it's a bit arbitrary.
 
Yes, the notion of what is a single piece of music isn't straightforward. For example, under Nektar, you omitted "Journey to the Centre of the Eye". Although this is divided into 13 tracks on the CD, it really is one piece of music. Quite often, long pieces of music are divided into more than one track, complicating an automated approach.


A little hesitant to act upon this suggestion. A lot of albums, concept or otherwise, have songs flowing one into another. Are they all to be treated like single songs? Then again, basing this entirely on whether the song titles refer to the same composition is a flawed approach to take, too. The comment below addresses the same issue:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Slight ommission - Mike Oldfields Amarok should be included at 3rd in longest epics list. Ironically Incantations should defintitely not be included as it's in 4 parts. Otherwise why not include Yes - Tales Of Topographic Oceans?!

You could also argue for ELP - Pictures At An Exhibition being included (from the album) as it's a continual unbroken performance.


Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

No one's gonna point out that "Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra and Chorus" is not a song?


Any more comments on this bit? It may not be a song, but it's a composition

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

^^It appears the OP is sticking to studio releases, so ELP Pictures and FZ The Purple Lagoon wouldn't be included.


I did include songs from live releases that don't otherwise appear on records, like some of Magma's tracks and VDGG's Squid/Octopus. Wouldn't Pictures count as separate tracks, though? I've honestly no idea now, especially after thinking about some of the latest comments!

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The list is going to be expanded even more very soon, as I've decided to add the following artists with at least 300 ratings on a highly-rated album (meaning the rating isn't too low, at least circa 4.00). The ones that do have songs above 15 mins in length anyway. This is the expansion:

Chris Squire
Aphrodite's Child
Roger Waters
Nucleus
Cardiacs
Univers Zero
Jean-Luc Ponty
Klaus Schulze
Hiromi Uehara
Henry Cow
SBB
Area
Osanna
Voivod
Supersister
Samla Mammas Manna
Herbie Hancock
Colosseum
Solaris
Il Bacio Della Medusa
Death
Kayo Dot
Daal
Los Jaivas
Atheist
Agalloch
Between The Buried And Me
Hypnos 69
Logos
Yezda Urfa
Steely Dan
Maudlin Of The Well
Il Rovescio Della Medaglia
Roxy Music
Fates Warning
Ash Ra Tempel
Celeste
Birds And Buildings
Asia Minor
Popol Vuh
Sieges Even
Strawbs
Leprous
Unreal City
Quella Vecchia Locanda
Bill Bruford
Redemption
Roine Stolt
Green Carnation
Alphataurus
Egg
Utopia
Ozric Tentacles
Nemrud
Biglietto Per L'Inferno
Brand X
Steve Hillage
Nemo
Quiet Sun
Seven Impale
Galahad
Shadow Gallery
Traffic
The Dear Hunter
Locanda Delle Fate
Picchio Dal Pozzo
Karnivool
Kamelot
Karfagen
Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Anthony Phillips
Amon Düül II
3RDegree
Pavlov's Dog
Threshold
Gnidrolog
Sean Filkins
Orphaned Land
Procol Harum
No-Man
Collage
Arch / Matheos
Magenta
Semiramis
A.C.T
The Decemberists
Blind Guardian
Unreal City
Il Tempio Delle Clessidre
Neu !
Oceansize
Barock Project
Amplifier
Corvus Stone
Lunatic Soul
Weather Report
La Maschera Di Cera
The Tangent
Brian Eno
Silhouette
Alcest
Ange
Pallas
Mystery
Triumvirat
Astra
Kraftwerk
Fish
The Pineapple Thief
OSI
Traffic
Höstsonaten
Magic Pie
Airbag
Kaipa
RPWL
Moon Safari
Sky Architect
Perfect Beings
Glass Hammer
Atomic Rooster
Electric Light Orchestra

That will hopefully give us a more complete and fascinating list to work with.

Cheers, everyone!
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Wow, 96 hours and 44 minutes! Four straight days! This sounds like a job for Paul!

Anyway, I think your definitions (or boundaries) are quite suitable. Others have already noted that epics can be shorter than 15 minutes and some songs that reach the boundary aren't actually epics. It just complicates things, so an arbitrary time limit seems more than reasonable to me, otherwise your list could get quite out of hand and you may end up with a playlist that may take thousands of hours to listen to. Great job!
Everyone is free to do as they please, but an actual definition of "epic" should be a little more complicated than something that lasts for 15 minutes or more. That just tells you it's a track that lasts long. Nothing more. One can say that a song is of epic length, but 16 minutes of bleeping sounds doesn't make for an epic.

Yes, Rollon, but how do you categorize/refer to those hundreds of other long-playing songs that aren't considered epics? I think, in Prog World, it's just more convenient to lump all long-playing songs under/within the "epic" moniker--unless someone were to come up with another term to encapsulate and honor those other long jams.
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pat metheny "as falls wichita..."

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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Very cool!!! But Yes has 11 epics...

That's eight more than Brighteye Brison and nine more than Neograss then. Tongue


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Very cool!!! But Yes has 11 epics...
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Fifty Epic Prog Suites

01. 5 stars 1972: Genesis - Supper's Ready - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyfj7-mHqs
02. 4 stars 1974: YES - The Gates of Delirium / Soon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJRVBQtKltM
03. 4 stars 1972: Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAt1b21S97k
04. 5 stars 1971: Pink Floyd - Echoes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGwPSPIhohk
05. 5 stars 2011: Phideaux - Snowtorch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Fx6uaCX4A
06. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Revealing Science of God - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIfAbQVkR3E
07. 5 stars 1973: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXatvzWAzLU
08. 5 stars 1972: YES - Close to the Edge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDU-vilgic
09. 2 stars 1972: Van der Graaf Generator - A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TXKdoi8WQ
10. 5 stars 1977: YES - Awaken - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDXccU0xgNo
11. 5 stars 1974: Focus - Hamburger Concerto - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WMJsozf9eU
12. 5 stars 2010: Neograss - The Sea of Tranquility - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLq172JyO0s
13. 3 stars 1974: Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YCs_GkkWUg
14. 5 stars 1975: Renaissance - Song of Scheherazade - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baLPlJ9sQiA
15. 4 stars 1974: Todd Rundgren's Utopia - The Ikon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeFkydP5PFs
16. 3 stars 1972: Supersister - Pudding en Gisteren - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmzSWGkQ868
17. 4 stars 1968: Procol Harum - In Held Twas I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klon0T5zbgY
18. 5 stars 1971: Caravan - Nine Feet Underground - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR8lbbNBAo
19. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Remembering - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBRfpeYU-a8
20. 4 stars 2010: Motorpsycho - Gullible's Travails - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riMqJIvRSsg
21. 4 stars 2005: Phideaux - Chupacabras - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxAjWrEtFU
22. 4 stars 2011: Brighteye Brison - The Rise of Brighteye Brison - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRv8vJa7Bw
23. 4 stars 2011: Haken - Visions - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSyfvnF5pps
24. 4 stars 2009: Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHB1AXYY9co
25. 4 stars 2002: Echolynn - Mei - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYD6sm-YoZ0
26. 4 stars 1973: YES - The Ancient - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXUyrZBq3fM
27. 4 stars 2008: Moon Safari - Other Half of the Sky - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sEnjobgMZU
28. 4 stars 1973: YES - Ritual - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxBabdgGAbI
29. 5 stars 2008: Brighteye Brison - The Grand Event - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5BKfg_DMvE
30. 4 stars 2012: The Flower Kings - Numbers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7PYDicedA
31. 3 stars 2004: Magma - K.A. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqtqmrVbu4
32. 4 stars 1970: Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6e0CED9A-Q
33. 4 stars 2005: Moon Safari - We Spin the World - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siCks7Nbjig
34. 5 stars 2011: Neograss - Atlantis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwEywDUqSU
35. 4 stars 2007: The Flower Kings - Love is the Only Answer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N68VfE_x-jI
36. 5 stars 1971: Focus - Eruption - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OB5kMsOSWc
37. 5 stars 2013: Days Between Stations - In Extremis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnX6bElfZ4w
38. 3 stars 2008: Motorpsycho - Little Lucid Moments - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajYEoLMFK_k
39. 3 stars 1975: Hatfield & the North - Mumps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_MUajIs9Vs
40. 4 stars 1975: Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2K-fx3uoeo
41. 5 stars 2008: Brighteye Brison - The Harvest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdueeQagDl4
42. 5 stars 1975: Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4WfWEBMFys
43. 3 stars 1970: Soft Machine - Out Bloody Rageous - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9O2lg1Jd6s
44. 4 stars 2010: Big Big Train - The Wide Open Sea - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sqWtIOv1g8
45. 4 stars 1980: The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card -  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFNa5jVmJtU
46. 4 stars 1978: Mike Oldfield - Incantations - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0qrRmiFRWI
47. 3 stars 2009: Magma - Emehntehtt-Re - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymvZ9fMQGjQ
48. 4 stars 1997: YES - Mind Drive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLLAJnmSfUY
49. 5 stars 1971: Earth and Fire - Song of the Marching Children - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZ1q7UxviQ
50. 4 stars 1996: YES - That, That Is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B8ZQMQcqfI
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^^It appears the OP is sticking to studio releases, so ELP Pictures and FZ The Purple Lagoon wouldn't be included.
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No one's gonna point out that "Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra and Chorus" is not a song? Speaking of Zappa, "Billy the Mountain" and "The Purple Lagoon" are missing. For Alan Parsons Project, "The Fall of the House of Usher" is missing. I'd say Supersister is a big one missing (I guess it just wasn't caught by the criteria), and both Todd Rundgren ("A Treatise on Cosmic Fire") and Utopia ("The Ikon" and "Singring and the Glass Guitar"). Treatise and The Ikon both go over 30 minutes even.

I guess it can be hard to determine what an 'epic' is, at times. Some artists just have a lot of interconnected music on their albums (like FZ and KGLW). I always consider You Are What You Is side 2 as one 20-minute thing, but it's not like most of that was written with that in mind. Something like A Turn of the Friendly Card seems much more 'separate' on the other hand.
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Slight ommission - Mike Oldfields Amarok should be included at 3rd in longest epics list. Ironically Incantations should defintitely not be included as it's in 4 parts. Otherwise why not include Yes - Tales Of Topographic Oceans?!

You could also argue for ELP - Pictures At An Exhibition being included (from the album) as it's a continual unbroken performance.
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Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

- What is a song?
Another question that makes me sound braindead, without which the idea cannot really be adequately fulfilled. Is Shine On You Crazy Diamond a single song or two? What about Dream Theater's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? Knowing more about the artist's intention each individual case would surely help, and I mostly used my intuition to see it through, so in some cases it's a bit arbitrary.
 
Yes, the notion of what is a single piece of music isn't straightforward. For example, under Nektar, you omitted "Journey to the Centre of the Eye". Although this is divided into 13 tracks on the CD, it really is one piece of music. Quite often, long pieces of music are divided into more than one track, complicating an automated approach.
 



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Yes' Mind Drive (on KTA 3) and the other +/- 20-mins track on Keys To Ascension 1



Circus (switz) - Movin' On in the flipsise of the MO album.






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