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    Posted: October 12 2022 at 03:04

I can tell that when I'm listening to CDs or digitally recorded vinyl, it helps me to think of it as a particular
kind of sound / sound quality, "the modern one". I find also the CD-medium to be good in relation to
enviromental considerations, and it has its own visual charm. Smile






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I started buying vinyl as a teenager ended up switching to cassettes for convenience sakes because I found I preferred to listen to my music while driving or parked over keeping the turntable down low because my parents didn't approve. When I heard my first cd I couldn't believe how clear it sounded, things that were buried in the mud before I could hear! So convenient too as I still love driving and listening to my tunes. I honestly can't remember when I listened to the radio last, years and years ago I guess.
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Sorry Chopper, if you find my posts to be a kind of rude. Smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

So you're saying that all the vinyl, you've been listening to, sounded scratched to you? - If to say it in a subjective way in stead of as an objective truth.

Otherwise, I'll interpret it as "all the vinyl sound scratched for everybody" - which in fact make me a kind of happy, as making a little discovery about what something said as an "objective truth" can mean, for not to be meaningless. Tongue


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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

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The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.

LOL

Okay, we skip the seriousness.
I was being serious.

Then I keep on laughing. Big smile

Or what does that exactly mean?
It means exactly what it says

So you're saying that all the vinyl, you've been listening to, sounded scratched to you? - If to say it in a subjective way in stead of as an objective truth.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.

LOL

Okay, we skip the seriousness.
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Then I keep on laughing. Big smile

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I have burned CDr through my hi-fi burner at real speed directly from the vinyl (it was the first two Maneige), and had buddies listen to it in a blind test, and they couldn't tell the difference between the two

It could easily make difference with some music with much more "information".
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.

LOL

Okay, we skip the seriousness.
I was being serious.

Then I keep on laughing. Big smile

Or what does that exactly mean?


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I have burned CDr through my hi-fi burner at real speed directly from the vinyl (it was the first two Maneige), and had buddies listen to it in a blind test, and they couldn't tell the difference between the two
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.

LOL

Okay, we skip the seriousness.


I was being serious.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If to be quite honest, I better not to tell what I have been thinking and feeling about the CD-medium 
for a lot of years before I learned to accept and live with it.

Now, I try to think more about its pluses than minuses compared to the pure analog vinyl medium. Smile
And when buying old albums on CD, I have best experience with the early AAD versions, not least mastered by Nimbus.



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If to be quite honest, I better not to tell what I have been thinking and feeling about the CD-medium 
for a lot of years before I learned to accept and live with it.







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^ It makes sense in a less scientific way---  when a gemstone stylus is pulling through grooves in vinyl producing measurable vibrations, it's going produce a different, more physical sound.



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I too have ripped my vinyl to digital files and did what JD has done using software, it is a tedious job. But those I have done sound better than the CD that I eventually bought later on. There are no adjectives to use they just sound better. 
A huge factor is the ADC being used as well the DAC being used for playback. I 100% always know when I'm listening to a CD.
I don't experience the same emotions from a CD that I do with the vinyl version, again no need for any audio adjectives, it's not there for me. I have waayyyyyy too many years of experience listening to both, on both low end systems as well higher end systems.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I've actually done this to about 50 of my LP's that I have never seen available on CD. I record each LP side as a single file, normalize each file, edit each file into individual tracks, I then painstakingly go through each track editing out ticks & pops, then burn the file to a CDR. It allows me to retain the LP for my collection but still have a better sounding CDR medium to play.

 
I have a few LP rips on my PC (and burned some to CD), and I found the process of cutting up the tracks and adding all the metadata already such a pain in the butt, I never bothered editing out pops and stuff. Then again, I suppose the metadata could just be added automatically. But when I get the chance to do so, I'll go through my LP collection to digitize everything. It would be cool to have those versions available for listening at any time I please.

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But if to be quite serious, when the talk is in such a objectivistic way, I don't even really know what it means. I mean "it sound just as vinyl-y" for whom or measured by which instruments, or what is the exactly meaning of such statement?


I don't really know a better word than vinyl-y, I mean the warmth or whatever you wanna call it that you might hear when playing an LP won't be lost when ripping it to digital. Of course it depends on how pristine the record is, and the setup (e.g. using a different player to record than you usually use to listen), but the point is that the warmth will still be there in the rip. Warmth is a bit of a subjective term, but the fact it's recordable is objectively true. If that clears anything up.
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The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.

LOL

Okay, we skip the seriousness.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

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Fact remains that you can record a vinyl record to a digital file or CD and have it sound just as vinyl-y. And in fact, I'm a little surprised that record companies haven't cashed in on this...the warmth of vinyl pressed on a CD or available for streaming. There's plenty of people uploading vinyl rips to YT or file sharing sites, so there'd be a market for it. It'd be trivially easy to do, though there might be some discussion about the specific tweaks and imperfections if they were to do this. And I suppose record companies would profit more if people keep getting their analog vs digital facts wrong.
I've actually done this to about 50 of my LP's that I have never seen available on CD. I record each LP side as a single file, normalize each file, edit each file into individual tracks, I then painstakingly go through each track editing out ticks & pops, then burn the file to a CDR. It allows me to retain the LP for my collection but still have a better sounding CDR medium to play.

I can't imagine though that they "sound just as vinyl-y". 


Hmm, could you tell the difference between the CD and the vinyl transferred to CD to sound "vinyl-y"? I suspect not, without a really high end system. 

But if to be quite serious, when the talk is in such a objectivistic way, I don't even really know what it means. I mean "it sound just as vinyl-y" for whom or measured by which instruments, or what is the exactly meaning of such statement?

The only thing I can think of is it sounds like it's been scratched.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

[EDIT]
Fact remains that you can record a vinyl record to a digital file or CD and have it sound just as vinyl-y. And in fact, I'm a little surprised that record companies haven't cashed in on this...the warmth of vinyl pressed on a CD or available for streaming. There's plenty of people uploading vinyl rips to YT or file sharing sites, so there'd be a market for it. It'd be trivially easy to do, though there might be some discussion about the specific tweaks and imperfections if they were to do this. And I suppose record companies would profit more if people keep getting their analog vs digital facts wrong.
I've actually done this to about 50 of my LP's that I have never seen available on CD. I record each LP side as a single file, normalize each file, edit each file into individual tracks, I then painstakingly go through each track editing out ticks & pops, then burn the file to a CDR. It allows me to retain the LP for my collection but still have a better sounding CDR medium to play.

I can't imagine though that they "sound just as vinyl-y". 


Hmm, could you tell the difference between the CD and the vinyl transferred to CD to sound "vinyl-y"? I suspect not, without a really high end system. 

But if to be quite serious, when the talk is in such a objectivistic way, I don't even really know what it means. I mean "it sound just as vinyl-y" for whom or measured by which instruments, or what is the exactly meaning of such statement?
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Hmm, could you tell the difference between the CD and the vinyl transferred to CD to sound "vinyl-y"? I suspect not, without a really high end system. 

I have a really High-End system, but I've never listened to such a CD in question. I can tell though that I almost always can hear when I'm listening to a CD.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

[EDIT]
Fact remains that you can record a vinyl record to a digital file or CD and have it sound just as vinyl-y. And in fact, I'm a little surprised that record companies haven't cashed in on this...the warmth of vinyl pressed on a CD or available for streaming. There's plenty of people uploading vinyl rips to YT or file sharing sites, so there'd be a market for it. It'd be trivially easy to do, though there might be some discussion about the specific tweaks and imperfections if they were to do this. And I suppose record companies would profit more if people keep getting their analog vs digital facts wrong.
I've actually done this to about 50 of my LP's that I have never seen available on CD. I record each LP side as a single file, normalize each file, edit each file into individual tracks, I then painstakingly go through each track editing out ticks & pops, then burn the file to a CDR. It allows me to retain the LP for my collection but still have a better sounding CDR medium to play.

I can't imagine though that they "sound just as vinyl-y". 


Hmm, could you tell the difference between the CD and the vinyl transferred to CD to sound "vinyl-y"? I suspect not, without a really high end system. 
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