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    Posted: October 02 2022 at 03:47
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I prefer to avoid this kind of purposeless baiting these days. I don't see the point in making people "seethe" anymore. Whether you like black midi and The Callous Daoboys, one of them or none of them is not really my business. I enjoy both. I won't join any side. I just thought people here would appreciate this new album, maybe I was wrong.

I just reposted the comments for my own amusement, really. All the comment sections at RYM that has any activety at all eventually get ugly. I'm just on the outside looking in disbelief at the kids nowadays (or maybe they are all adults). They treat bands as if we're discussing our favorite football teams.

Yes, I know. I'm sorry if my comment was understood as criticism towards you. English is not my first language and I sometimes lack clarity in my exposition.
No worries and english isn't my first language either:) It didn't come  across as critisism, but I felt like explaining my silly post anyway.
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Listening to the album for the first time here, kinda fun I guess? Not much the kind of music I enjoy though, but watching live would be great
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I prefer to avoid this kind of purposeless baiting these days. I don't see the point in making people "seethe" anymore. Whether you like black midi and The Callous Daoboys, one of them or none of them is not really my business. I enjoy both. I won't join any side. I just thought people here would appreciate this new album, maybe I was wrong.

I just reposted the comments for my own amusement, really. All the comment sections at RYM that has any activety at all eventually get ugly. I'm just on the outside looking in disbelief at the kids nowadays (or maybe they are all adults). They treat bands as if we're discussing our favorite football teams.

Yes, I know. I'm sorry if my comment was understood as criticism towards you. English is not my first language and I sometimes lack clarity in my exposition. 

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Too much Vaudeville. It's basically a more avant version of Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel circa Nail which came out as far back as 1985. Personally i like the last album much better.

I fully agree. Their last one was also more interesting for my tastes. 
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Too much Vaudeville. It's basically a more avant version of Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel circa Nail which came out as far back as 1985. Personally i like the last album much better.

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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I prefer to avoid this kind of purposeless baiting these days. I don't see the point in making people "seethe" anymore. Whether you like black midi and The Callous Daoboys, one of them or none of them is not really my business. I enjoy both. I won't join any side. I just thought people here would appreciate this new album, maybe I was wrong.

I just reposted the comments for my own amusement, really. All the comment sections at RYM that has any activety at all eventually get ugly. I'm just on the outside looking in disbelief at the kids nowadays (or maybe they are all adults). They treat bands as if we're discussing our favorite football teams.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I believe that may be an overlap among black midi and The Callous Daoboys enjoyers, that is why I thought that it was justified to share the latter here.


Thanks! For most of the parts I didn't quote. Yes, fully justified. There's an overlap.

I always check out what the kids in the comment section say in my "second online home" RYM, and there was this "review" by punk_revolution_now (a total knob, obviously) starting:

"what black midi fans think black midi is, but too complex for black midi fans to be fully capable of enjoying."

...and the comment section responds:

-Punk Revolution Now is the biggest poser on the planet. [4]
-"Shout out to prn getting all these black midi fans seething lmao"
+also
-who the f**k says black midi fans can't enjoy this, what

...etc etc - so yes highly relevant:)


I prefer to avoid this kind of purposeless baiting these days. I don't see the point in making people "seethe" anymore. Whether you like black midi and The Callous Daoboys, one of them or none of them is not really my business. I enjoy both. I won't join any side. I just thought people here would appreciate this new album, maybe I was wrong. 

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I regard this as being at the top of the game in this new wave of music:

No offense, but this isn't similar to Hellfire at all IMO. Completely different genre (extreme metal, as opposed to Hellfire's Avant-Rock/Fusion combination), different vocal style (more bombastic/screamy, with the kind of teenage angst tone and harmonies if you know what I mean), much more straightforward instrumentation as opposed to Hellfire's million overlapping instruments, it's going for a completely different emotion/vibe than anything off Hellfire... There's a quirky thing here or there at the beginning of the song, but that's about it. The louder/weirder moments of Hellfire (like the endings to Eat Men Eat or Dangerous Liaisons, or parts of 27 Questions) are more akin to Zappa than to extreme metal. I can see how someone who enjoys black midi would enjoy these guys, but they're not even in the same genre ballpark.

None taken. I thought that this band was influenced by black midi, but I may be wrong. Of course, they are heavier, as I stated in my original message:

"It is way heavier than Hellfire, but I think that both bands have many things in common". 

It is hard for me to listen to the second part of this song, for example, and not thinking that there is a strong influence of black midi:

https://thecallousdaoboys.bandcamp.com/track/field-sobriety-practice-2

Again, I can be completely wrong and the only real influence is The №Ⅻ Looks Like You. 



Edited by edefakiel - September 21 2022 at 00:01
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I take it back, that would make an even better film. Now I'm off to read the rest of the lyrics to see what wonders await.
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I read this on NME about Eat Men Eat. These guys certainly have a vivid imagination:

“The story starts in the desert with two men engaged in a desperate search for missing friends,” Picton said of the song’s inspiration in a press release. “Their quest leads them to a strange mining facility which, despite a dearth of natural resources in the area, opens its doors for even stranger hosts to welcome them.

“That evening, with zero sign of their friends, a massive feast is laid on by the mine’s cantankerous Captain, who performs a long speech encouraging all to indulge as this is to be the workers’ last night before returning to their families. With good reason for suspicion the protagonists feign gluttony and consume as little as humanly possible.”

He continued: “Unfortunately, as they later find, even that’s not quite enough. Night falls, they hide and as the workers fall comatose, the wardens, overseen by the Captain, make preparations to pump their poisoned stomachs. It turns out the purpose of the mine is to procure an excess of human stomach acid used in the production of a b*****dised blood red wine, sold and loved in the region.

“After the wider conspiracy is revealed and upon realising their friends must be long gone, the partners decide they must destroy the facility. A spanner plugs the works however, as one of the men experiences mild effects of the poison and the production of acid in his stomach goes into overdrive. As his chest literally bubbles he says what may be his final goodbyes to his partner and the other man is left to do the heavy lifting alone.

“He succeeds and as they flee, arm in arm, the demon Captain erupts from the burning embers and curses the two men to the hell of crippling acid reflux for the rest of their days. They see no reason to worry though, as they’re sure to return home hailed as heroes.”
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Just read the lyrics to Sugar/Tzu. If I've got this right it's a boxing match in 2163 and a three foot tall guy shoots one of the boxers in the back and gets sentenced to life. 
Should make a great film.
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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I regard this as being at the top of the game in this new wave of music:

No offense, but this isn't similar to Hellfire at all IMO. Completely different genre (extreme metal, as opposed to Hellfire's Avant-Rock/Fusion combination), different vocal style (more bombastic/screamy, with the kind of teenage angst tone and harmonies if you know what I mean), much more straightforward instrumentation as opposed to Hellfire's million overlapping instruments, it's going for a completely different emotion/vibe than anything off Hellfire... There's a quirky thing here or there at the beginning of the song, but that's about it. The louder/weirder moments of Hellfire (like the endings to Eat Men Eat or Dangerous Liaisons, or parts of 27 Questions) are more akin to Zappa than to extreme metal. I can see how someone who enjoys black midi would enjoy these guys, but they're not even in the same genre ballpark.

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

So, because of the buzz, I gave this album a listen. An enjoyable listen, that's for sure, but I'm not that enthused as others. Again, it is quite an enjoyable album, but it also comes over to me as a bit too mannerist: style and tempo changes for the style and tempo changes. I guess their live performances might be more interesting than their studio efforts, but that's just a guess.

A lot of twists and turns sound weird the first time you hear them, but they make more sense on repeated listens. That goes for a lot of prog albums honestly. Get 'Em Out By Friday feels just as, if not more, random than anything from this album. But once I got used to them and knew what was coming up, it became clear to be how tight these arrangements are. Songs like 27 Questions sound like a mish-mash of different themes and ideas at first, but once they click they'll make as much sense as the simplest pop songs. They might still not be to your taste, but nothing here is X for the sake of X.

Live performance-wise the arrangements tend not to be too different, apart from not having the studio there to layer god knows how many different sounds. They sound like rather skeletal versions of the studio tracks IMO.
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Picked up the CD at HMV earlier today. I played the first few tracks on Spotify and it was a real wtf moment, to be honest. One of the maddest things I've ever heard. Looking forward to studying the rest of it in detail.
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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I believe that may be an overlap among black midi and The Callous Daoboys enjoyers, that is why I thought that it was justified to share the latter here.


Thanks! For most of the parts I didn't quote. Yes, fully justified. There's an overlap.

I always check out what the kids in the comment section say in my "second online home" RYM, and there was this "review" by punk_revolution_now (a total knob, obviously) starting:

"what black midi fans think black midi is, but too complex for black midi fans to be fully capable of enjoying."

...and the comment section responds:

-Punk Revolution Now is the biggest poser on the planet. [4]
-"Shout out to prn getting all these black midi fans seething lmao"
+also
-who the f**k says black midi fans can't enjoy this, what

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

Guys, I seriously think that you should listen to this:


It is way heavier than Hellfire, but I think that both bands have many things in common. I really enjoyed this, more than Hellfire. 

Hm, listened once and found it occasionally fun and entertaining, but to me not on the same artistic level. Nowhere near really. The way I see it Black Midi knows how to write a memorable tune, create a strong concept + intriguing lyrics, ewoke emotions etc... in addition to their impressive musicianship. I think they are the complete package. The Callous Daoboys imo, surely knows how to pack a punch - but not a whole lot more. I wasn't too fond of the constant screaming either - as it felt like he was screaming every word without really knowing why they all nedded to be screamed. Still I preferred that over the clean and "pretty" melodic singing parts. Sorry, that came out a little too harsh. Not uninteresting. Maybe next time.

Don't worry about it being harsh. It was an articulated opinion and you have the right to not enjoy some particular music. I, for example, can't understand why Hellfire doesn't click with me, as I loved Cavalcade with all my heart. Some albums are just not made for one, I guess. Still, I think that black midi is a band of excellent musicians. There are some rough edges in Celebrity Therapist, sure, but I'm really interested in seeing what they create next. And I feel towards this album like I felt towards Cavalcade; I'm very much entertained and impressed by it. I believe that may be an overlap among black midi and The Callous Daoboys enjoyers, that is why I thought that it was justified to share the latter here. 

I regard this as being at the top of the game in this new wave of music:




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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

Guys, I seriously think that you should listen to this:


It is way heavier than Hellfire, but I think that both bands have many things in common. I really enjoyed this, more than Hellfire. 

Hm, listened once and found it occasionally fun and entertaining, but to me not on the same artistic level. Nowhere near really. The way I see it Black Midi knows how to write a memorable tune, create a strong concept + intriguing lyrics, ewoke emotions etc... in addition to their impressive musicianship. I think they are the complete package. The Callous Daoboys imo, surely knows how to pack a punch - but not a whole lot more. I wasn't too fond of the constant screaming either - as it felt like he was screaming every word without really knowing why they all nedded to be screamed. Still I preferred that over the clean and "pretty" melodic singing parts. Sorry, that came out a little too harsh. Not uninteresting. Maybe next time.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

So, because of the buzz, I gave this album a listen. An enjoyable listen, that's for sure, but I'm not that enthused as others. Again, it is quite an enjoyable album, but it also comes over to me as a bit too mannerist: style and tempo changes for the style and tempo changes.
Whatever you think or felt about it is none of my business really. I just feel the need to say that I don't agree with that last part at all. Every style and tempo change is there for a good reason imo. It's two of the reasons I find it so enjoyable.
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Guys, I seriously think that you should listen to this:


It is way heavier than Hellfire, but I think that both bands have many things in common. I really enjoyed this, more than Hellfire. 


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So, because of the buzz, I gave this album a listen. An enjoyable listen, that's for sure, but I'm not that enthused as others. Again, it is quite an enjoyable album, but it also comes over to me as a bit too mannerist: style and tempo changes for the style and tempo changes. I guess their live performances might be more interesting than their studio efforts, but that's just a guess.
A good album, but personally I don't consider this a masterpiece.


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Man, this is going to take some listens in order to peel back the layers and appreciate the musicianship and compositional skills. I'll say one thing from the first couple of listens, this is the album they needed to exploit  their esteemed/award-winning band member, drummer Morgan Simpson. 

I think I'm most impressed at how different it is from either/both Schlagenheim and Cavalcade. And by their tight, precise cohesion--even at inhuman speeds.




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Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

It took a bit to get used to it, but helped that I started listening to BCNR and Squid at the same time. I like Cavalcade even better now that I’ve listened to Hellfire and get a better feeling for their sound and style.

The vocals was a hill to climb at first, but now I love it. Many of my favourite parts are when you are bombarded with lyrics. Like the title track of Hellfire.

They have an edge, but that just makes it more interesting. There’s enough vanilla music out there.

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