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    Posted: May 01 2022 at 19:15
Can were (for me), a different approach to Space Rock entirely. When I discovered Can...I had already been listening to stuff like..Ummagumma, The Body Geesin/Waters, The Residents, Hawkwind, Tangerine Dream, Ashra Tempel, and Klaus Schulze.

Can felt a bit strange and disturbing at times, but truly fascinating and interesting. There were so many interesting aspects to their sound. It could be dark sounding and experimental at times and it produced that class of dark music you'd hear on Tangerine Dream Zeit..or even Atem..but it was often surrounded with percussion. Although that one particular section of Cutaway lures a person in and causes them to dream of Space and the greatest feeling is to hear that section of Cutaway when you're gazing at the nightsky.

So Can did in fact produce that atmospheric quality. The introduction of "Future Days" and sections of "Belair " are truly strange and in a world of their own. "Chain Reaction" is rhythmical, but the keyboards are not. Instead they are atmospheric throughout the piece which creates a unique vibe or impression. This was an important part of Can's sound. The drums and or percussion are busy..but the other instruments are creating soundscapes.

"Quantum Physics " produces dark and dreamy soundscapes that I believe I heard in the music of Jeff Grienke during the mid 80s. Can actually had a unique sound when they used sustaining keyboard sounds and chords of dissonance. Different from Tangerine Dream and Ashra Temple.

I played their albums frequently on a windy and cloudy day ..or I made it a point to. Hooking up the stereo on the screened patio and stepping outside to feel the wind while listening to their music. ..which had a strange affect on me.

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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Can's more recent archival releases, particularly the live albums from Stuttgart and Brighton, seem to have been largely overlooked on PA, so maybe a thread like this is appropriate.

Those are two highly excellent albums that any fan of Can need to have. 
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  "YOU MAKE ME NERVOUS" by Irmin Schmidt from his FILMMUSIK series is one of my most favourite songs, & a regular sonic intervention on SPACE PIRATE RADIO.  if I hadn't seen DEEP END in a Santa Barbara theatre & later again in a Drive-In in the earliest of 1970's onwards, I would have never discovered music by "Cat Stevens & The Can."  by 1973, the world had changed for this old soul.  
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Irmin Schmidt has many facets. Toy Planet (with Bruno Spoerri) is an excellent electronic album (with saxophone!). Axolotl Eyes (with Kumo) is probably my favourite, There's great stuff all over the place on the many Filmmusik (soundtracks) albums. It's hard to recommend anything specific as there's so much, and most of it is a mixed bag as he has done lots of small themes for TV shows and the like. Much of this doesn't fill a whole album on its own, so they're pieced together in a somewhat random fashion.
Michael Karoli's Deluge album with Polly Eltes may take some getting used to, but should appeal to a Can fan. I didn't like it much for some time but it has won me over.
Jaki Liebezeit has done so many things... One I love is Secret Rhythms 3 with Burnt Friedman. In fact his later work is very consistent for me, I can basically buy any album and enjoy it, although the variety is probably not quite enough to buy, say, 10 of them..
The Snake Charmer EP of Holger with Jah Wobble, The Edge, and Jaki on two tracks is something special.  
Damo... well, I have seen a number of live shows with him from around 1985 (he has a habit to turn up in a place and play live with some local musicians), and two of them were stunning. Unfortunately I haven't found an album yet that reached that quality level. He can be quite hit and miss but he is invincible on a really good day. If anyone can point me to a recording where he's at his best, I'm all ears.


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I definitely need to do more of this, as so far I have only investigated Holger Czukay’s solo work, although I have heard the odd collaboration with Damo (but that is more because of who he was collaborating with).

Perhaps you could give me, and others who are interested, a starter album for each member’s solo career?

I definitely agree that Movies is a fantastic place to start with Holger. It’s probably my favourite of his solo albums.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2022 at 17:45
Some here appreciate Can. They do normally well when they appear in polls, at least that.
What is too little known is the vast array of solo works, some of which are every bit as innovative as Can's best material. Who hasn't done so should give Holger Czukay, Irmin Schmidt, Jaki, Damo (both with with various collaborators) and Michael's stuff a chance!
Holger Czukay's Movies (its more recent release is called Movie!) is not only a treasure trove of ideas and surprises, also it has Jaki on drums (any album with him is worthwhile for his drumming alone and there are *lots*)  and contributions from the other Can members.
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How I discovered Can

In the 70s my family would drive into Jackson, Mississippi on weekends to shop at a big store on highway 80. It was a big, day long event not to be missed.  Just around the corner from the strip mall was Be-Bop Record Shop- a haven of rock in a sea of country & western, blue-grass and gospel.

While my parents were doing their thing, I would go to the record store where the staff would play albums. It was on one of those trips in 1976 I heard my first Can album: Tago Mago. I was intrigued by the sound and bought a copy. I got Future Days on a later trip.

None of my friends had ever heard of Can. If they listened to it, they would admit it was good. If it wasn't something popular all the kids listened to, too many of them were afraid to be different. I, on the other hand, excelled at different.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2022 at 15:39
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.


he said "embarrassingly underappreciated" which is an exaggeration. it puts a very negative connotation in his statement. 

I think it’s neither an exaggeration, nor negative. Embarrassingly has no negative connotation to me. Now if he had said “stupidly unappreciated”, or similar, that would be a different story.


Really? Because it seems like he's shaming the rest of us. 
That would be incorrect, my post is not directed at anyone specifically. By me using that term, I meant it more that people may not know their importance to the whole progressive rock/rock in general scene. It would be very respectful and honest if someone said ....."I'm embarrassed to say I don't know CAN very well or their importance to this music scene..."

Carry on.....

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I first heard Can in 74'. I did some backtrack and collected their earlier releases. I found them to be a little insane because I had never heard anyone like them. That's probably typical of a 17 year old. As time progressed I was lucky to find reviews of their albums and some history on the band. I found their history fascinating. I discovered them late in the game and the following year they released Soon Over Babaluma which I wore out the grooves on the record.

Decades later I discovered that a certain percentage of people disliked their later releases such as Saw Delight, Flow Motion, etc...but I liked those albums and I particularly liked an album on the Harvest label simply titled Can. It featured a kind of Space Rock or Punk version of "Can Can" which was a type of traditional dance ..but Can's version was fantastic
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Syzygy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2022 at 14:40
Can's more recent archival releases, particularly the live albums from Stuttgart and Brighton, seem to have been largely overlooked on PA, so maybe a thread like this is appropriate.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2022 at 12:35
I moved this to the Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation forum before I posted in this topic earlier today. I left the move notification, the icon (that is the default) and if in mobile mode then it still appears in the Suggest New Bands forum like it is in that forum despite the move. I will remove the move notification if that is causing issues.

As for Can, I too have thought of it as underappreciated at this site, especially when going by the ratings (as Silly Puppy had referred to). This site does seem to tend to favour -- as was mentioned in a Swans poll I did and Swans plays with those Can and Krautrock type grooves -- old school symphonic prog and neo-prog... I might put it as the more melodic forms of Prog tend to be more appreciated than the more experimental acts. A lot of people dislike kinds of repetition and certain hypnotic qualities in mudic. Can is very hip these days in certain music circles, and it is highly influential. Regarding the ratings, Can commonly is divisive. Looking at the ratings and reviews of Tago Mago which many consider to be a masterpiece (I do) one can see the diversity of opinions.

Perhaps it should go without saying that everything that I really appreciate that others do not hold in such high regard is grossly underappreciated by those not me. ;) (J/k)

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BTW, this thread needs to be either moved to prog music lounge, if we think it deserves further discussion or be closed because, obviously, Can's been long time on PA. 
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.


he said "embarrassingly underappreciated" which is an exaggeration. it puts a very negative connotation in his statement. 

I think it’s neither an exaggeration, nor negative. Embarrassingly has no negative connotation to me. Now if he had said “stupidly unappreciated”, or similar, that would be a different story.


Really? Because it seems like he's shaming the rest of us. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.


he said "embarrassingly underappreciated" which is an exaggeration. it puts a very negative connotation in his statement. 

I think it’s neither an exaggeration, nor negative. Embarrassingly has no negative connotation to me. Now if he had said “stupidly unappreciated”, or similar, that would be a different story.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2022 at 11:11
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.


he said "embarrassingly underappreciated" which is an exaggeration. it puts a very negative connotation in his statement. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nick_h_nz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2022 at 11:03
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 
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Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site.......The controlled insanity of CAN is brilliant!!! This album kicked my a$$ when I first heard it, honestly took me years to really understand them. But once I got it, I jumped in feet first and I'm still in the pool.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Woefully underappreciated on this site. Only one album with an aggregate rating of over 4.00?

Tago Mago is in the top 100 albums of all time on RYM.
Future Days as well. As an answer to
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Do you think more people today like CAN vs say 40yrs ago?
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Can has more monthly listeners on Spotify than Emerson Lake and Palmer and King Crimson - five times more than Gentle Giant, TWENTY times more than my beloved VdGG (which I find quite shocking)... So yeah it's safe to say that more people like Can today than 40 years ago. I don't mean that looking at monthly plays is 100% proof regarding a bands relative populatity, but the listening stats is still a clear indication.

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Woefully underappreciated on this site. Only one album with an aggregate rating of over 4.00?

Tago Mago is in the top 100 albums of all time on RYM.

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