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richardh
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Posted: February 18 2022 at 04:23 |
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personally the ones I like in that list: "La Villa Strangiato" - Rush "Xanadu" - Rush "Incomudro - Hymn to the Atman" - Kansas
"2112" - Rush "Illusions on a Double Dimple" - Triumvirat "Father of Day, Father of Night" - Manfred Mann's Earth Band "Grand Canyon Suite" - Refugee "Lunar Musick Suite" - Steve Hillage "The Valentyne Suite" - Colosseum "Karn Evil 9" - ELP "Tarkus" - ELP "All the Seats Were Occupied" - Aphrodite's Child "Solar Musick Suite" - Steve Hillage |
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Anyone's Daughter - Adonis (Germany/1979).
Carol Of Harvest - Put On Your Nightcap (Germany/1978).
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Saperlipopette!
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The "average Can-listener" probably didn't discover them through Genesis, PF and Rush (my guess is that is mainly a PA-thing) but rather bands like - depending on one's age: Sonic Youth, Tortoise, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, Velvet Underground, Stereolab + reading Pitchfork and Wired.
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moshkito
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Hi, I think CAN is better known today than yesterday, however, it was not because of their work, but their name being mentioned all the time, and folks that gave Tago Mago half a listen, and immediately screamed progressive. It wasn't at all progressive. It was a "part" of the same styled artistic scenes in theater, film and other arts at the time, and CAN was a good representative, but Damo's busking is "better" than Klaus's improvisations which are famous, and the number of folks that ended up working with Wim Wenders and others ... and we don't like to know that the theater history of those days was full of experiments in sound and vision and placement, many of these ideas became some nice content for a lot of what we became to know as "krautrock". So, in a sense, CAN is not "progger", until LANDED when they pulled out all the stops, with one problem, and Holger did it again in his first 2 solo albums ... he wore his mind and the TEAC's to the ground with cuts and cuts and more cuts and blends that were nuts but absolutely and totally far out ... and we don't talk of "Landed" as progressive, because many folks here can't listen to it, as it doesn't sound like any of the top 5 bands! The problem/issue is placing a lot of these things IN CONTEXT ... not as a matter of preference. And too many of the replies and comments are about preference, not the art of it at all! And in this sense, CAN will never get anywhere, because it is not a top 5 or 10 band that had a big single on the radio! WE still think that is the part that makes them "progressive" ... and the reason why the same band is listed 10 times in the top 100!
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Lewian
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That's very hard to say... they were a minority thing then and now. What I mean is that now their appreciation isn't strongly connected to being a progger, but of course in the old days for some time prog itself wasn't much of a a niche thing but just rock on the adventurous side.
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Also, I'm not so fond of The Devil's Triangle, but I do like a lot Crimson's version of Mars as played live by the original line-up. And I guess I could add Lizard, that I didn't mention in my previous post.
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moshkito
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Hi, IN almost every case, it is "best known" because England and America sold so many from these bands, and the rest of the European contingent could not even get their albums done. In Germany, almost all bands were going elsewhere (some in Spain, others elsewhere) to get results. Eventually things leveled off some, however, the sales glut and media in both America and England, were far more helpful to the music than otherwise. In America the media would have been the FM radio band, that pretty much show cased so many of the "top 5" in Progressive Music until the FM Radio band rape in the early 80's when it all became just another hit station of "classics" which they all still are! But the "damage" was done, and these big bands took advantage of it. In Santa Barbara, for example, in 1974 at the number 1 FM station, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, got a lot of airplay along a lot of other bands that would not be considered or touched in the AM hit radio stuff at all. Things like Golden Earring, Triumvirat, Focus, and many others took a really good hold. But radio in Europe STILL did not have an "independent" like the FM Radio band was until the early 80's. It was still controlled, and even bands like Guru Guru have made fun of the schlagger something that we don't quite understand, and would not listen to when it showed up in the Tango Fango album ... that was a massive statement! The sad thing, was when ELP created Manticore and pulled out 2 bands that had been well served as "imports", and so few folks bothered actually listening to it, (and many reviews said they did not even sound like ELP!!!!! How's that for moronic! ))) but both bands were already well established in Europe and they continued! Germany found many friends all over to get their music out, and a lot of stuff found itself in vogue, with Kraftwerk sort of leading the core, although Neu, Kraan, Eloy and a few others did OK in this country. There is no reason why the "best" is better known, other than the fact that "they were there" and were able to take advantage of the situation. But if you were from a different country, you had no chance ... and many folks had not even heard the music! And worse ... they wouldn't, and STILL don't!
THAT IS BIZARRE AND WEIRD. I was already into PF, CAN, AD1 and AD2, Ange, Banco, PFM, Babe Ruth, Egberto Gismonti, Airto, Milton Nascimento, ELP and many other European bands WAY BEFORE Genesis AND Rush AND Fink Ployd. And we did not have any weird vibes or feelings about it ... it was all great stuff and different than what was available out there ... So saying that you can not get a feeling for something before this or that, is weird for me. Music is ALL OVER, and around the world, and unless you can't see that, it would be really difficult to expect all that other stuff to sound the same as the stuff that you liked, and grew up with, or heard, on the radio, after the FM Radio band rape! CAN, specifically is one that went through a real good experimental period that explains what became known as "krautrock", and you heard it on Tago Mago, and you could also see it in Werner Herzog films with improvisation all over the place and in theater and other films. All you are saying, for me, is that you never even thought that anyone could do anything else different which became the main drive in "progressive" as we know it today! AND, I can't honestly say that you are into the real progressive thing, when you can only mention the 3 you have heard, which leads me to believe you have not given the others as good an ear as you could. AND that was the secret ... one DJ once interrupted Guy Guden in the middle of Golden Earring ... and his words" "It wasn't rock'n'roll!" ... Guy slowed down the song, and then said "Who cares! It's great music!" and then sped up the song again (similar to the break in the Live in Pompeii film on Echoes) ... and you gotta get a handle on this ... the name of the song? ARE YOU RECEIVING ME? And most, just like here, didn't and still don't because it is not something "they recognize" and "know".
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Catcher10
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Like I said "generally", for maybe us mentally disturbed proggers we would not need the classics to like CAN. I became mental after joining PA and had already been in touch with Genesis, PF and Rush. Do you think more people today like CAN vs say 40yrs ago?
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Lewian
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Interestingly, in later times, Can became quite popular among many music geeks (OK maybe they were always a musicians' band) who otherwise wouldn't appreciate prog classics.
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Lewian
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You list two Birth Control albums but I don't see Backdoor Possibilities, which I consider their strongest. It doesn't seem well known and is certainly not for everyone, but anyway, great album in my view. I don't like their other material remotely as much although some (Plastic People) is OK. Otherwise my favourites are Shamal, Grand Wazoo, and most stuff listed by KC (Lizard!), VDGG (Childlike Faith!), Pink Floyd (AHM), Novalis (2nd and 3rd album), Curved Air. Further on to Steve Hillage (Lunar Musick), Magma, Grobschnitt, Baker St. Muse...
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Catcher10
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Generally the path to understanding the more obscure/lesser known bands would be to be exposed to the bigger more known bands and their catalog.
I don't think I could appreciate CAN today without being first exposed to Genesis, PF and Rush....
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Hiram
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My post was sarcastic and rude. That was unnecessary and stupid, and I'm sorry. I appreciate your championing of lesser known bands, but I still think bigger and best known bands are that for a reason, and the main reason is the quality of their music (whether throughout their career or a "golden era" or whatever). Yes, there are others factors at play as well, but you don't get big by being bad at what you do. Now, I don't of course mean that unknown bands are worse, but they are not automatically better or more worth listening than the best known bands. When you start listening to something new, in this case Classic Era Prog Epics, I think it's best to start with the best known stuff. Again, there's a reason why it is the best known. Sorry if all this is obvious and I'm preaching to the choir but just my two cents.
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moshkito
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Hi, Nahhh ... it wasn't meant in that spirit! The idea is that "progressive music" is in many places and countries. And to minimize it to two bands takes away the ability for someone to learn something about the music, that is not always obvious. For the record, I do not have a single RUSH album in my collection. By that time I was already so heavy into all the European stuff that I could not afford to get a RUSH album, specially when a new KS or TD, or CAN, or AD2 or Ange, or Banco, or PFM, or Caravan, or any of the Harvest original catalog stuff ... and so many other things ... that whatever money was left over actually went to food and rent! But the saddest thing for me, in this board, is how we mention the better "known" folks all the time, and make the rest of the stuff almost trivial by comparison, and that is a really harsh indictment of what "progressive music" is supposed to be. Remember that it all started as a reaction to the music controls in the media and all that ... so why are we now doing the same thing?
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Catcher10
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There are many here I have not heard of either.....but I would probably start with the classics and go onto the more obscure. ELP~Tarkus KC~any of them Pink Floyd~Atom Heart Mother Rush~Xanadu Rush~La Villa Strangiato |
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Hiram
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Yes, best to ignore those classics. Apologies for my pedestrian taste.
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Argo2112
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La Villa Strangiato & The Grand Wazoo are two I would highly recommend from this list.
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moshkito
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Hi, And all of these I DID GET at the time, not later! They were a serious part of the early Space Pirate Radio days from January 1974 on. I don't think that most folks have any idea how it felt to actually know and hear so much of this stuff played on radio ... and the station was a commercial FM station! I would include a lot of AD2 and CAN in here, and definitely a lot of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze, because without them I think a lot of the music would seem very hollow and short winded. I don't really like to consider one thing "epic" only to have some folks suggest that there are way too many passages in the music that are meaningless. I would rather those folks didn't bother listening to any of this and simply go back to their top ten and cardboard solos.
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moshkito
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Hi, My suggestion would be to invite folks to listen to less of the huge listing by those bands and concentrate on other things listed, some of which are as good and better than anything those folks did ... and I have the most complete PH and VdGG you ever saw!
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Hiram
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Everything Rush and VDGG on your list. Make sure you check them out.
Magma - De Futura Haikara - both tracks you mentioned and their whole debut album + title track form the follow-up Geafar King Crimson - Fracture |
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Do you like dark symphonic prog? If so, check out: Arachnoid - Le Chamadčre (1979) However, the highlight track for me is: Arachnoid - Toutes Ces Images / Segamisec Setout (1979) |
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