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    Posted: February 12 2022 at 13:33
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Don't doubt the reverse, I can see Carl Palmer asking Mick Jones or Iggy Pop for their autograph.



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I don't know if anyone knows this woman and her band, Mega Bog. She lives out in the NW US. Her name is Erin Birgy and she was born in Idaho. Anyway, when I first heard this song, I sort of muttered "punk prog" to myself because of the way she sings, kind of unsettling and dark.The song is called "Diznee". Wiki lists her as an "experimental" musician.



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Originally posted by Lewa Lewa wrote:

Hi,

if you are looking for newer bands, I think 
  • Black Midi and 
  • Black Country, New Road
are often mentioned as post punk as well as prog / post rock.

(I like both of them, but don't know enough about punk to judge if this is correct.)

There's a definite post-punk influence going on with those two bands and their exciting contemporaries. The spoken word type vocals especially sell it. I'd argue there's just as much prog influence going on as well. There's often an eclectic proggish kind of of virtuosity on display. Black Midi in particular seems heavily influenced by King Crimson to my ears. I'm not sure I'd call them prog punk though, as there's not a whole lot of regular old punk left in the songs. Maybe post-prog? Lol.
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Don't doubt the reverse, I can see Carl Palmer asking Mick Jones or Iggy Pop for their autograph.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A lot of punk musicians were prog fans 'unofficially' of course. My favourite story in this regards was a spikey haired punk running up to Phil Collins in an airport and asking for his autograph. It was none other than Rat Scabies of the Damned!

Indeed. My favorite example is Jello Biafra's (Dead Kennedys, LARD, et al.) love of Magma. Didn't see that coming.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

A lot of punk musicians were prog fans 'unofficially' of course. My favourite story in this regards was a spikey haired punk running up to Phil Collins in an airport and asking for his autograph. It was none other than Rat Scabies of the Damned!


Luckily for Rat, he wasn't in the Pistols. Maclaren would have sacked him for being in the same room as a member of Genesis..!
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Here and Now or try this:

https://youtu.be/dPkt-JS_jDA
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Hi,

if you are looking for newer bands, I think 
  • Black Midi and 
  • Black Country, New Road
are often mentioned as post punk as well as prog / post rock.

(I like both of them, but don't know enough about punk to judge if this is correct.)
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If anybody's interested in the American Post-Punk and Art-Punk, I can recommend the book Our Band Could Be Your Life. Scenes from the American Indie Underground 1981-1991  by Michael Azzerad - but be aware of the fact that even the author is sympathetic with the movement, he nevetherless often gives a rather unpleasant depiction of the portrayed bands.

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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Punk Cajun Polka Disco Screamo.....does it exist?

Bossa Illbient Shoegaze Musique Concrète...does it exist?

It should!!

One thing I'm missing in this discussion is the wealth of math rock bands that blend a pop punk/indie rock sound with unconventional song structures and complex rhythms and time signature changes. Invalids, This Town Needs Guns and Tera Melos are but a few examples


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Punk Cajun Polka Disco Screamo.....does it exist?

Bossa Illbient Shoegaze Musique Concrète...does it exist?

It should!!

One thing I'm missing in this discussion is the wealth of math rock bands that blend a pop punk/indie rock sound with unconventional song structures and complex rhythms and time signature changes. Invalids, This Town Needs Guns and Tera Melos are but a few examples
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Punk Cajun Polka Disco Screamo.....does it exist?

Bossa Illbient Shoegaze Musique Concrète...does it exist?
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Of course it exists. Cardiacs are the most famous example.

I made this list on Rate Your Music

It's a small but interesting cross-pollination!



Really great list, thanks siLLy puPPy!!!!
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A lot of punk musicians were prog fans 'unofficially' of course. My favourite story in this regards was a spikey haired punk running up to Phil Collins in an airport and asking for his autograph. It was none other than Rat Scabies of the Damned!
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

The idea that punk was meant to "anti-prog" specifically is a very prog-biased point of view.

I think, you've got a good point there.
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To nick_h_nz: I agree with you about the media invention of prog vs. punk to an extent. I think this is one of those delineating-prog-and-"progressive" moments. Many punk bands going into the 80s were definitely progressive or incorporating progressive elements. The idea that punk is all about "simple" isn't entirely true. Though, to be fair, I think it's really the post-punk groups that were actually on the bleeding edge.

However, from my understanding, a lot of the early driving force behind the punk music movement had to do with rebelling against "dinosaur rock." Obviously, this is a lot of what we now call "Classic Rock" that was being churned out in the late 60s to mid-70s, and the classic "prog" (the style) sound of that time fits under that umbrella. And of course, they also generally hated disco.

But sure, to say The Ramones were a reaction to Yes would be just as correct as saying they were a reaction to Led Zeppelin or Steely Dan or CSN/Y or Elton John. The idea that punk was meant to "anti-prog" specifically is a very prog-biased point of view.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

i’d say “Small Parts Isolated and Destroyed” has the highest concentration of prog-like song structures. It’s also pretty weird, in a good way - lots of weird chords and sudden stops/starts, and very long songs.

You might also want to try “Wrong”, which combines really complex parts with a much more aggressive and punky sound on more concise songs (it’s a fan favorite too). The nucleus of the band is a pair of brothers on bass & drums, both amazing players (I would call the drummer a virtuoso on the level of Bruford), and the parts they write (and sing over- great lyrics too) can be pretty amazing to hear.


Thanks, I'm only marginally familiar with the band but my interest is piqued now

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Very happy to see others agree about Minutemen. First time I heard them I wished I'd started with them rather than Black Flag or Minor Threat in my venture into hardcore punk. So versatile.
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I think two from California might fit, the aforementioned Minutemen (from my home town of San Pedro) and also a band that was active in Santa Cruz in the early to mid 80's, Tao Chemical.  Santa Cruz became another home town for me in those days.  The band was fronted by Rob Breszny, who has a syndicated astrology column that is very different from the usual, which was also begun in those Santa Cruz years.  The band coined it's music at the time as "avant-gauche prague rock and Pagan gospel muzak." YT does have a live video of them available filmed in 1985.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Punk prog? I think Minute Men are pretty progressive for a hardcore punk band. Lots of off kilter stuff going on in their music, plus a massive double album with a loose car driving concept!

Minutemen also came up in the UK/US prog discussion. Much of that discussion was about how often prog is viewed largely framed by European symphonic prog, and European classical influences, while what could be termed US prog sounded very different. Obviously the following quotation references previous posts in the UK/US discussion, but I think the overall points are not lost without needing to refer back. And, ultimately, I’m sharing this just because I would agree that Minutemen could be viewed as prog.

Originally posted by I I wrote:

 I know classical is one thing brought up (including by myself) as the difference between UK and US prog, but I don’t think classical influence in US prog detracts from Bryan’s thesis. The classical influences of US prog artists tends to come from US composers (such as Henry Cowell) or from foreign composers who spent much of their life in the US, where they could have more freedom than in their home countries (and it is that sense of freedom which is intrinsic and integral to Bryan’s thesis, from my reading). Composers like Leo Ornstein and Edgard Varese (and to a lesser extent, Igor Stravinsky) all composed most of their important and influential classical works in the US.

Captain Beefheart was influenced by a lot of free jazz, and since I’ve already mentioned him, Ornette Coleman is one such influence. This jazz influence runs through future potential US prog bands, even when it is unexpected. Minutemen are probably not a band that immediately springs to mind as being prog (most of their early songs were only a minute or so long), and ostensibly punk. But their main stated influence was always Captain Beefheart, and they would list off jazz and funk artists as influences.  Mike Watt of the Minutemen has an extensive discography which is all over the place musically, as he has always had an experimental and progressive mindset. He is presently a member of Banyan, who are part of the modern art rock scene. They are a bit prog, a bit jazz, a bit funk, and a lot of fun. Banyan’s stated influences are Igor Stravinsky and Miles Davis.
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