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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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...and what an odd pairing that is....must be true that opposites attract, ![]() But as someone else said above it's just evolving.....since 1980 or so there have been many talented and interesting bands ... 3 I like... IQ, Porcupine Tree, and Wobbler...
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That blows my half-baked theory out of the water then. ![]() |
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essexboyinwales ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5230 |
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Thanks for the explanation, and I get what you're saying! I just feel that the tone of this thread suggests that prog is dead, whereas it so clearly isn't
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I'm 59 but was 15 (1977) when I started to acquire an interest in 'prog rock' as such , mainly ELP but not a lot else. I am therefore looking at it very much retrospectively and didn't really live through it. If you read up on the very well known rock journalist Chris Welch he tends to think of it this way. The movement was virtually done by 1976 and only the formation of supergroup UK kept it going it a few more years. For me I became more liberated about my attitude to prog and music in general when I stopped being hung up on this fact. As you well know, I'm a great supporter of modern prog bands and certainly don't think they are any less good than the classic bands. There are fantastic musicians out there and the likes of Anathema, Big Big Train , Frost*, The Mute Gods , Wobbler , Elephant 9 ( I could go on a lot more lol) give me an immense amount of pleasure. But it's just music to me , but if we talking about the 'progressive rock movement' then it stopped a long time ago. What we have now is a wonderfully diverse bunch who go nicely under the radar. Perhaps that's just a lot better and how it should be.
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WOW! That article is fascinating!!! Thanks for sharing
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You have to scroll down a bit to reach label developments circa '76 "The Virgin roster was ruthlessly
purged of its least commercial pre-punk oddballs and restocked with
short-haired, angular-sounding signings like Devo, XTC and the Skids."
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TheLionOfPrague ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1069 |
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What's the Virgin meeting BTW?
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Anti-Thatcher, anti-monarchy. I don't think it really matters. The Beatles and Rolling Stones started off anti-establishment and the the prog movement took over their mantle, but the prog movement maintained respect for it's musical roots. The punk movement basically took the anti-establishment theme further and turned it into anti-everything.
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Abacab.
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Progishness ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2020 Location: Planet Rhubarb Status: Offline Points: 2565 |
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Other: When Bob Fripp hooked up with Toyah.
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When Yes, King Crimson and ELP took a break after 1974 it certainly didn't help. Jethro Tull also moved away from prog to folk-rock.
Overall I don't think nothing in particular happened, just the "circle of life". What happened to glam metal at the end of the '80s? Punk at the end of the '70s? Grunge in the mid '90s? Psychedelic rock in the late '60s? Genres enjoy a period of popularity when they're new and then they lose popularity. One could argue prog had actually a pretty long run ('69-'78 roughly) and there were several succesfull acts after it as well (Marillion, Tool, Dream Theater).
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^ Thatcher got elected in 79 - well past the peak of punk
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Basically bands were changing or breaking up as you say for the simple reason that those bands weren't making money. The end was coming when bands like Emerson Lake & Palmer were taking huge orchestras out on the road. They were bleeding money. You can't keep doing it without something breaking. The other thing is that people were getting sick of 10 minute guitar solos and 30 minute songs. Punk offered a simple alternative where you reacted to what the musicians were saying rather than what they were playing - mostly antiestablishment and a rejection of Maggie Thatcher's England. When prog revived in the 90's it came about because of the love of music of the prog era and the challenge of being able to play it. This era of prog isn't about money because there isn't money to be made from prog, just a love of the music.
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I think I'm too young (51 yesterday!) to "get" why so many of you can't get past these early years as the ultimate prog years. I figure that if you lived through and experienced and loved the first prog then it was a very special time. But it's really not the only time when great prog was being made. And it has never died!!
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I went for the top one. I tend to think that the progressive rock years as being 1969-1975, pretty muhc King Crimson's debut to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here. Then it was 'done' . However I nearly wept when I heard Genesis - Abacab so that for me was when it really sunk in totally.
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Rednight ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4812 |
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One choice could have been Locanda Delle Fate's Forse Le Lucciole Non Si Amano Pia (1977). Too little, too late in the classic prog sweepstakes.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17983 |
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Exactly, it seems the answers are debating that it is not dead, that's not the question. I don't think it is dead, but there certainly was a huge change that happened in the 80s that created a decline in the output of progressive rock, simple change. There was a period of bleakness in the late 80s thru most of the 90s, but it seems a lot of prog/proggy music has come back over the past 15 yrs or so. I still doubt the music masses know who the hell Gentle Giant or Camel is, and if they do they don't call it progressive music. The core of the OP question to me is why did progressive music lose its importance after the 70s and what caused that change? As was mentioned there were many bands/albums that ranked in top lists, JTull issuing 2 #1 albums in the US and both charting way up there in other countries too......Would never happen today, or even in the 90's. What was it Crest Of A Knave that did really well from 1987 and beat out Metallica for a Grammy, not that I consider Crest a traditional progressive rock album but more straight up rock, proggy maybe at best.
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Love Beach cover. Shocker.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Hmm, yes, good observation. |
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