kansas ( point of no return live and beyond )

Cristi wrote: PhideauxFan wrote: What is obvious for me is that musicians who are 60-70 don't record their best albums nowadays in the fields of progressive music, hard-rock/heavy-metal and classic rock. true, with some exceptions, and Kansas is one of them, their last two albums were quite good if you ask me.  Also artists like Glenn Hughes, Uriah Heep, UFO, Deep Purple, Kraan, Rush have made good music in their later days.

richardh wrote: ^ Are you sure about this?. Black Butterfly (2017) is a good album and his vocals are okay there although its a few years old now. My favourite Kansas album is Somewhere To Elsewhere and his vocals had certainly deteriorated but he was able to still perform the old stuff ( I saw the play live around about that time) .

richardh wrote: Well if Steve Walsh and Kerry Livgren are no longer interested then I don't see why the surviving members can't carry on. This is an age old argument for so many classic bands that have one or sometimes no surviving original members. How many versions of Wishbone Ash are there?! LOL

grantman wrote: rich williams and phil ehart are original members of kansas,

I am well aware of that. But they were not songwriters. Livgren and Walsh were the songwriters. Granted, Williams' and Ehart's styles helped shape the overall sound of the band, they were not contributing writers of the songs they are going around playing with 4 other people.

And I know Greer has been in the band for 35+ years.

I enjoy the classic years of Kansas with Steve Walsh. But I have no use for the other albums with other singers, because they completely miss the mark. Kansas only works with Steve's voice, pure and simple. It's a connection stronger than most bands and their singers.

Edited by Boojieboy - September 28 2021 at 21:14

PhideauxFan wrote: What is obvious for me is that musicians who are 60-70 don't record their best albums nowadays in the fields of progressive music, hard-rock/heavy-metal and classic rock.

Roine Stolt does.

What is obvious for me is that musicians who are 60-70 don't record their best albums nowadays in the fields of progressive music, hard-rock/heavy-metal and classic rock.

Edited by PhideauxFan - September 28 2021 at 02:51

Cristi wrote: PhideauxFan wrote: I woul say "good but not essential" if I compare it to Two For The Show. you could compare it, but why?

I woul say "good but not essential" if I compare it to Two For The Show.

I'll be the voice of dissension. "Kansas" since Walsh left is just not Kansas.

None of the original members left in the band were writing contributors, however I do recognize that their styles are a contributing factor to the Kansas sound.

Kansas, IMO, has become like Journey or Queesryche. They have singers who can hit the notes, but there's no intensity or feel in it. They're just hitting the notes and for me, that's not enough.

Walsh had undoubtedly deteriorated over time. But I'll take him in his current state over Ronnie Platt (to whom I mean no disrespect) because, even in his aged state, he still has the Kansas vibe in his delivery.

This current incarnation of the band going out and playing full-album shows of material they did not write makes them, IMO, a tribute band.